ETA- you do remember that Norway was occupied by the ****s in WWII? Do you want our country to be like them? WWII wasn't that long ago was it?
ok one more edit---- Talking about WWII our most decorated soldier.. Audie Murphy.. was what before the war? He was a farm boy, what did he do? He was prolific with a gun, he shot animals for his family's food.. we don't want people to be trained to do what they may be called to do anymore? See this is what I don't understand...
I do understand not wanting to own guns. I understand not wanting violence.. I get it.. NO ONE WANTS VIOLENCE. Facts are humans will always hurt each other. And if the evil is not stopped often by violence it will not stop by itself.... WWII is such a great example... You think it would have stopped without guns? Without the "GOOD citizens" owning guns?
Last edited by Rivergallery; 12-18-2012 at 01:23 PM.
If they had been armed it would be a completely different story.
Something has to change. If people hadn't noticed already things everywhere in this country are ALOT different then when we were kids and going to school. School should be a place where kids can feel safe and be able to learn not have to worry about people coming in and shooting them.
Also, saying to leave it up to law enforcement? What happens when they are miles away? They can't just jump through a time capulse and be there. They had security, they had one of those buzzer things that the majority of all schools in this country have and he broke and or shot through that.
I'd love to hear a better idea but until we can actually get and keep people with obvious mental issues off the streets this seems like it's the only answer.
Second, Drastically changing how hard it is to get a gun and what you can do with it does *more* than just take guns out of the hands of 'good people'. So you can't just assume everything else will be the same and now its just that the good people won't have guns to protect everyone else with.
It would seem in this country we have a problem. Our murder rates, particularly with guns is extremely high. What we are doing is NOT working. As with anything, i think to fix the problem, it needs to be tackled from several different angles. But i see nothing to suggest that tighter gun control should be off the table as a way to fix it. And we are at a point where we cannot afford the luxury of just blowing it off with a "pssshhh, it will never work so lets not bother" attitude. We have a responsiblity to try. We owe it to these families....and everyone else.
FTR, we are a gun owning family.
Really interesting article on how our 'gun culture' is viewed by other places in the world
The Connecticut school massacre: How the world sees us - Yahoo! News
I think it is a little soon after this tragedy to have this kind of a debate. Emotions are raw.
DH's school has an armed officer at his school. That is his sole job to guard the school. I think that frees the teachers up to teach. I would hate to be worried about shooting someone at the same time trying to teach math. I also can't imagine some nosey kid looking for the answer key to his teachers desk and finding a gun. That could go bad in so many ways. I think another alternative would be tasers if they were properly trained and out of reach from the kids.
I do not think the answer is to ban all guns anywhere. They do have their place. They should not be given out to the mentally ill and should have to be kept locked up.
2- Assumptions can definitely be made if you look at what happens to societies when guns are highly regulated. Registration: The **** Paradigm - by Stephen P. Halbrook
3- I agree something needs to change, but I do not think it comes in regulating law abiding citizens, it comes in not releasing criminals. And aiding with mental health care patients.. DO NOT allow violent people out on our streets period.. Then we wouldn't have to worry about criminals getting guns because there would be so little of them.. only those that had never committed a crime before would every commit a violent crime
No one who doesn't want to talk about it yet should feel pressured to do so, but at this point i think those who want to talk about it shouldn't be pressured not to. Its important and i think some people feel an urgency to make noise about it, before it fades away into dust like it has so many other times when its easy to just go back to what feels like or normal lives and our normal routines and become complacent about it again. I did not want to talk about it Friday, but as time moves on...i want it to be discussed before people don't want to bother to anymore.
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I do see it as a risk.. I would rather risk an accidental shooting than a homicidal maniac or a rogue government... AND if a teacher is properly trained they should NOT have their gun in their desk (which someone brought up).. They would have it strapped to them at all times, and know how and when to properly use it.