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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Hmmm... well it doesn't take a government takeover to have a need for protection.

    Just take a look at these pictures
    Los Angeles LA Riots - Then & Now

    or a natural disaster can do it...
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/27/us...anted=all&_r=0

    But I guess none of those things could ever happen again, right?

    ETA: I can't touch this. Sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    There are whackos everywhere. But I do not think the idea that the government may want to disarm the populous is a conspiracy theory, it has happened in other countries, why not here? Some people think it may never happen, I think, it is possible, and wrong. I do know Obama has been talking about pushing through gun control legislation without congress approval, not sure if it will happen or not. I never know with him... he said my taxes wouldn't go up either... rofl
    So...you think that Obama had a bunch of children massacred to get rid of guns?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Wow, Gloria, I didn't know you lived in the Ghetto. Or are you trying to point out something else? I must be missing it?
    Potter are you implying that those poorer parts of the city shouldn't own guns? or that just no one should? It doesn't matter where Gloria lives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    So...you think that Obama had a bunch of children massacred to get rid of guns?
    Did I say that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    Potter are you implying that those poorer parts of the city shouldn't own guns? or that just no one should? It doesn't matter where Gloria lives.

    No, that is the opposite of what I was implying. I edited my post but you had quoted me first. I will stick with my edit of Nevermind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    Did I say that?
    You said you could see it happening. Especially since your taxes went up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Thanks Bonita, I truly appreciate that. I wasn't speaking up to be a jerk ~ but because I think that it's important for anyone who has overcome anything (be it rape, miscarriages, cancer, abuse etc) to speak up when we see misconceptions stated as fact about survivors. Otherwise what's the point of overcoming ~ if we don't let other people know that it's possible to overcome things we aren't giving hope to other people who may need it.
    Thank you for your explanation. Please allow me to try to explain what I was trying to say. Hopefully in a less offensive way. Your experiences are different than my own. While I have never been all the way raped, I have been molested, nearly killed in a house fire, and experienced several miscarriages. Every experience I have had both good and bad have shaped who I am and have had an impact on who I am. None of those experiences mean that your life is over, but IMO it does impact you for the rest of your life. Columbine, Sandy Hook and every other mass shooting has effected America. That obviously does not mean that our life as a nation is over, but that it will never be the same. After 9/11 the country was never the same. Airport security was drastically changed, and many people will never think of flying in the same way that they did before 9/11. It was not my intent to imply that you can not over come a bad experience, you can. I do still think though that any experience you have, both bad and good will shape your future and change who you are. In this instance, Sandy Hook will change how people view sending their children to school and the necessary changes that will need to be made school security. I know this because it has already happened. My local news is filled with the security upgrades that are being put in place in local schools and the homeschooling boards that I am a part of are full of new people with questions about homeschooling and with people who have just pulled their kids because it.
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    All of that is fine and I understand what you are saying and I am sorry for the bad experiences you have had. None of that makes the sentence that I bolded in your original post either true or acceptable. The sentence that I bolded was what I took exception to, because it was incorrect.

    In that same vein, I am extremely grateful for my past, and I include EVERY experience in that, because without them I would not be where I am today. I can't be grateful for my present without being thankful for my past. That is probably a different debate. My husband flies almost every week. I can assure you, for him (and me!) and much of America, after a while, flying did just go on. School will just go on, eventually and believe it or not. For a lot of us, after time and healing or therapy or whatever "relaxation" can and did just go on. There is a lot more gumption in survivors, and in America, in my view I guess than in yours.

    And I will say with 100% certainty that hearing that a host of people are leaping to homeschool as a knee jerk fear based reaction hurts my heart. I don't think that children's needs are best served when parents make HUGE decisions like that (deciding to self educate ones children is HUGE decision) out of fear ...... There are a lot of reasons to homeschool. Doing it just because you are scared is a lousy one. You might well be a terrible educator, and that would stink for your kids (IMO). Again, probably another debate.
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    Perhaps I should explain what a lockdown drill entails. As I said before, our doors remain locked throughout the school day so technically no one can come in unless I let them in anyway. But, if there is a need for a lockdown, we have two types of threats - on campus (a dangerous person on campus) and off-campus (an armed person in the surrounding neighborhood). We only have off-campus drills. The principal will come on the intercom and state, "Teachers, check your e-mails" which is code for "lockdown". We check the hallways to pull in anyone who may be roaming around and then immediately check our e-mails (which are always pulled up on our laptops) to find out if the threat is on or off campus. If the threat is off-campus students are to continue working. If the threat is on campus students are to be moved to the safest location in the classroom which is to be pre-determined (mine is the bathroom). Once my students are secure (in the event of an actual lockdown) or I have directed them to follow lockdown procedures (in an off-campus threat or drill) I will place either a green card or red card in my windows. Green indicates that all is well in my room; red indicates that someone has been injured or needs medical attention in some way. If no card is displayed that is a signal that the intruder is in my room. My kids handled the lockdown drill really well and no one was traumatized in any way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    Potter are you implying that those poorer parts of the city shouldn't own guns? or that just no one should? It doesn't matter where Gloria lives.
    Of course you aren't allowed to protect yourself unless you have enough money to hire someone else to protect you. Or if you are the President. Poor people have to rely on the police to get there in time. Funny how the police couldn't protect everyone during the riots or after Katrina. And actually I do live 10 mins from Oak Cliff in south Dallas which is the ghetto. I drive through there every day on my way to work.

    President Barack Obama on Thursday signed into a law a measure giving him, George W. Bush and future former presidents and their spouses lifetime Secret Service protection, the White House announced.

    The legislation, crafted by Republican Rep. Trey Gowdy of South Carolina, rolls back a mid-1990s law that imposed a 10-year limit on Secret Service protection for former presidents. Bush would have been the first former commander in chief affected.
    Read more: Obama Signs Law Giving Himself Armed Guards For Life | Obama | Fox Nation
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