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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    There are whackos everywhere. But I do not think the idea that the government may want to disarm the populous is a conspiracy theory, it has happened in other countries, why not here? Some people think it may never happen, I think, it is possible, and wrong. I do know Obama has been talking about pushing through gun control legislation without congress approval, not sure if it will happen or not. I never know with him... he said my taxes wouldn't go up either... rofl
    Yes you did and then you said the bolded. You said that the idea could happen here. In response to people posting about how this event was a gov't plot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    Yes you did and then you said the bolded. You said that the idea could happen here. In response to people posting about how this event was a gov't plot.
    I said exactly what I meant . Of course Obama didn't kill children to try and outlaw guns, that is the whacko part... I do not think it is whacko to look to the past, present and future and see that our government may at sometime try and take the guns away from the people... Do you think that our government may at sometime in the future want to disarm the populous? if not.. what makes us so different from all the other countries where it has happened?
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    Well, I never say never but to be honest, I don't think that way. I take things as they come. I don't think because we want safety that it means it is the government trying to run us. Maybe it could be. I'm just not going to live that way.

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    Those who would ban what they like to call assault weapons like to portray them as automatic weapons designed for use on the battlefield simply because they look cosmetically like their military counterparts. In fact, they are semi-automatic firearms that are designed and built not for the military, but for the civilian market and function differently than their military counterparts. Were our soldiers outfitted with ARs, they would be at the mercy of every army in the world.

    The more than three million Americans who currently own AR-15s must wonder if any of these people know what they’re talking about. These guns are not cheap, but they have been the best-selling long arm in this country for some years. Those three million people didn’t buy have purchased them just to look at or because they are planning to use them to kill their fellow citizens.

    The National Shooting Sports Foundation has surveyed the purchasers of AR-15s. The AR-15 is the most commonly used rifle for marksmanship training and competition. Nearly 90% of those who own an AR-15 use it for recreational target shooting; 51% of AR owners are members of shooting clubs and visit the range regularly. The typical AR owner is not a crazed teenage psychopath, but a 35+ year old, married and has some college education.

    The popularity of the AR can be traced in part to the fact that it is a semi-automatic version of the rifle used by the men and women of the military. Nearly half of AR owners are veterans, law enforcement officers, or both. It is a configuration they are familiar with and enjoy shooting. My daughter, for example, served two tours in Iraq, one in Afghanistan, and only owns one gun — an AR.

    AR 15s are good for hunting. Some buy an AR for home defense and about six percent of buyers are either collectors or varmint hunters. The standard AR is illegal in most states for deer and big game hunting because it is not considered powerful enough to reliably put down deer-sized or larger game, but is used for coyote, wolf and feral pig hunting in many states.

    So the evidence tells us that although Sen. Feinstein and her friends may not know it, millions of Americans buy these guns because they like to shoot them and use them lawfully. The fact that a half dozen out of more than three million have been misused after illegally falling into the hands of crazed killers does not seem to be a reason to ban the popular gun according to most Americans asked in a recent USA Today poll.

    These guns are not the weapon of choice for this nation’s criminals or killers. Indeed, the FBI found that in 2010, the last year for which data is available, more people were beaten to death than killed with all long guns including these so-called assault weapons.

    It is true that the Supreme Court has left the door open for “reasonable” restrictions on firearms sales. There is good reason, for example, to keep guns out of the hands of felons, those who have been adjudicated as mentally incompetent, or unsupervised children. However there is no evidence whatever to suggest that a ban on the AR 15 or other semi-automatic firearms can be constitutionally justified just so politicians can say they have done something to satisfy the natural public desire act in the face of a tragedy like Newtown. A renewal of a juiced up version of the old Clinton “assault weapons” ban would no doubt make Sen. Feinstein and her friends feel good and deny millions of law abiding Americans the right to own and enjoy a gun protected by the Second Amendment,, but would do absolutely nothing to prevent future tragedies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    Well, I never say never but to be honest, I don't think that way. I take things as they come. I don't think because we want safety that it means it is the government trying to run us. Maybe it could be. I'm just not going to live that way.
    That is a valid point of view. I do not think it is crazy to think the government might, and protect ourselves form encroaching laws into legal gun ownership. Either way is an "ok" way to live. Heck even thinking the government will and not owning guns because you are a pacifist I understand. But it is America and we shouldn't be surprised that people want to keep their gun rights, and especially due to the 2nd amendment (ability to form a militia). And I think those people are far from whacko
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    Totally unrelated, but can I just say I can't believe this is almost 50 pages?
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    I never said keeping gun rights wasn't a good thing. I said ideally no one would want or need guns in my little utopia. I also said we need more restrictions on what is manufactured and what we have access to. That's it. The 2nd amendment says we have the right to form a militia. It says nothing about assault weapons.
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    As an aside, I was just reading my local news and thought I would point out something interesting. There was a gun show here today. Thousands showed up and the wait to get in was over 2 hours long. The talk of banning certain weapons here as had the exact opposite effect that was wanted. DH went with his brother to a gun shop a last week. The gun shop owner told DH that he has sold more guns in the last few weeks than he has in the last 3 years combined.

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    Oh what a beautiful country we live in when the response to such a horrid event equals rushing out to buy more weapons.

    (Yep, think I've already said that once...it just amazes me.)

    Locally, near the school in CT...they are stopping gun shows. I think that is awesome. No need of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    I never said keeping gun rights wasn't a good thing. I said ideally no one would want or need guns in my little utopia. I also said we need more restrictions on what is manufactured and what we have access to. That's it. The 2nd amendment says we have the right to form a militia. It says nothing about assault weapons.
    I think no one would need or want guns in most people's utopia. I would have to disagree with you about the 2nd amendment , and as proof I will leave you with some quotes from the signers -


    ”A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.”
    ~George Washington


    ”The highest number to which, according to the best computation, a standing army can be carried in any country, does not exceed one hundredth part of the whole number of souls; or one twenty-fifth part of the number able to bear arms. This proportion would not yield, in the United States, an army of more than twenty-five or thirty thousand men. To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves, fighting for their common liberties, and united and conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence. It may well be doubted, whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops.”
    ~James Madison

    ”The right of the people to keep and bear…arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country…”
    ~James Madison

    ”This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it or their revolutionary right to dismember it or overthrow it.”
    ~Abraham Lincoln

    --- Not to mention other notables like Thomas Paine, or Patrick Henry and John Adams who could not or did not attend...
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