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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    ITA with this. Teachers should be teaching, not carrying guns. Here's something I wrote on FB this morning:

    "The problem *IS* guns. You simply can't kill dozens of people when you're armed with knives because those people know they have a fighting chance against you. And you don't need an assault rifle and explosive bullets to kill a deer or protect your home. There is absolutely no reason why anyone in America, at least anyone outside of law enforcement, should have that type of gun, those kinds of bullets. No reason at all. The Second Amendment says "a well-armed militia." It doesn't say anywhere that Joe Redneck gets to own multiple assault rifles and explosive bullets. It's time to put a stop to this. Kids shouldn't be dying in schools, and if Adam Lanza's mom didn't have those guns in her house, he wouldn't have been able to kill them all so easily."
    "Joe Redneck"... who is usually in a militia? An average Joe... Who historically has been in militias in our country? The average Joe... SO yes I think the Average american should be allowed to own a gun.. whether you want to slang a farmworker and call him a redneck or not.. Or are you saying that they are stupid and should have to pass a test before getting a conceal carry permit?.... already happens, and is NOT CONSTITUTIONAL ANYWAY . Why shouldn't an average farmer have an assault rifle.. is there documentation to show these people are the ones committing these crimes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    It was a study done on the laws Germany passed before and during WWII regarding guns.
    Our System could easily handle it if there was the dealth penalty in acted swifter. Wouldn't you want to reduce it by 30-65%? A LOT of them are NOT first time offenders..
    I'm not reading the statistics the way you are reading them. Those two articles you linked to stated that a certain percentage of criminals are repeat offenders. They do not say "certain percentage of crimes committed are by repeat offenders"

    You cannot deduce that if 50% of criminals are repeat offenders that means 50% of crimes are committed by repeat offenders.

    Two different things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    But she did already have the guns. The cat is out of the bag. You can't put it back in. What do you suggest, rounding up the millions of guns that are already out there? Do you realistically think that would EVER happen and people would willingly give up their guns? If so you are not living in the real world. Adam Lanza didn't kill those kids with assault rifles.
    And he stole them.. he got them illegally

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    I'm not reading the statistics the way you are reading them. Those two articles you linked to stated that a certain percentage of criminals are repeat offenders. They do not say "certain percentage of crimes committed are by repeat offenders"

    You cannot deduce that if 50% of criminals are repeat offenders that means 50% of crimes are committed by repeat offenders.

    Two different things.
    You are correct I missread. Will find better articles/info to post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    But she did already have the guns. The cat is out of the bag. You can't put it back in. What do you suggest, rounding up the millions of guns that are already out there? Do you realistically think that would EVER happen and people would willingly give up their guns? If so you are not living in the real world. Adam Lanza didn't kill those kids with assault rifles.
    It worked in Australia. They had a school massacre in 1996, and they not only banned the type of guns that were killing people, but they actively worked to "buy back" those guns that were out there. They haven't had a school massacre since, and their gun homicide rates went significantly down.

    15 Things to Know About Australia's Incredibly Effective Gun Clampdown - NationalJournal.com

    I guess the big difference between us an Australia is that when Australia saw that guns were making their society unsafe for their youngest members, they reacted with revulsion towards guns and got rid of them. When we see that guns are making our society unsafe, apparently our answer is to stockpile more guns.

    I'm leaving now to go start the enrollment process for T to attend kindergarten next year. As both the mother of a soon-to-be public school system, and the wife of a public school teacher, the idea of putting more guns in public schools makes me sick to my stomach. I say this with the absolute belief that if my DH's school were under attack, he would put himself in harm's way to protect his students. That is terrifying to me, but I still don't favor (at ALL) the idea of putting a gun in my DH's hands and putting him in a position to face blame or blame himself if he couldn't stop it, or accidentally shooting a student in the chaos, or even having an unrelated accident in class. No thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    It worked in Australia. They had a school massacre in 1996, and they not only banned the type of guns that were killing people, but they actively worked to "buy back" those guns that were out there. They haven't had a school massacre since, and their gun homicide rates went significantly down.

    Gun-control advocates in this country like to cite Australia’s 1996 gun-control law as proof that gun control works. Actually, it’s unclear whether gun control has worked for Australia. Studies show mixed results, and while Australia’s homicide rate has fallen since the late 1990s, so has America’s. In any case, it’s an apples-and-oranges comparison: the personal gun ownership rate in Australia in 1996 was 7%; the personal gun ownership rate in America today is 34%.
    Read more: Why I'm against gun control | The Daily Caller

    The 1996-97 National Firearms Agreement (NFA) in Australia introduced strict gun
    laws, primarily as a reaction to the mass shooting in Port Arthur, Tasmania in 1996,
    where 35 people were killed. Despite the fact that several researchers using the same
    data have examined the impact of the NFA on firearm deaths, a consensus does not
    appear to have been reached. In this paper, we re-analyze the same data on firearm
    deaths used in previous research, using tests for unknown structural breaks as a means
    to identifying impacts of the NFA. The results of these tests suggest that the NFA did
    not have any large effects on reducing firearm homicide or suicide rates.
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    The United States obsession with guns and violence is sickening to me. The fact that our children are 20 times more likely to be hurt in gun violence makes me physically ill.

    Dh and I are actually researching places with stricter gun laws and higher quality of life. We are not ruling out moving. I don't want to live in a country where people try to defend the ownership of assault rifles. The fact that a person in the US gets shot ever 20 minutes is hideous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    It worked in Australia. They had a school massacre in 1996, and they not only banned the type of guns that were killing people, but they actively worked to "buy back" those guns that were out there. They haven't had a school massacre since, and their gun homicide rates went significantly down.

    15 Things to Know About Australia's Incredibly Effective Gun Clampdown - NationalJournal.com

    I guess the big difference between us an Australia is that when Australia saw that guns were making their society unsafe for their youngest members, they reacted with revulsion towards guns and got rid of them. When we see that guns are making our society unsafe, apparently our answer is to stockpile more guns.

    I'm leaving now to go start the enrollment process for T to attend kindergarten next year. As both the mother of a soon-to-be public school system, and the wife of a public school teacher, the idea of putting more guns in public schools makes me sick to my stomach. I say this with the absolute belief that if my DH's school were under attack, he would put himself in harm's way to protect his students. That is terrifying to me, but I still don't favor (at ALL) the idea of putting a gun in my DH's hands and putting him in a position to face blame or blame himself if he couldn't stop it, or accidentally shooting a student in the chaos, or even having an unrelated accident in class. No thanks.
    I agree with you that guns do not belong in schools where accidents can happen.

    I do support the right of a sane, law abiding citizen owning a gun or a militia stock piling guns as a defence against a government take over or another country invasion. I just think you need to be very responsible with them.

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    Yeah, I'm sure it's pure coincidence that when they reduced the amount of easily available easily used killing machines in their country, the percentage of deaths via these killing machines went down. Couldn't possibly work here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boilermaker View Post
    Dh and I are actually researching places with stricter gun laws and higher quality of life. We are not ruling out moving. I don't want to live in a country where people try to defend the ownership of assault rifles. The fact that a person in the US gets shot ever 20 minutes is hideous.
    I am trying to find the right words of how I want to word this. If you are unhappy with America and the Constitution, then feel free to move to somewhere else where you think you would be happier.
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