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    My Facebook has been full of this debate.

    Would fewer people have died if someone in the movie theater had a gun? Should private citizens be able to carry a gun in public?

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    Probably, since there were military personnel there that had just recently been deployed, I would venture to say they MAY have chosen to conceal carry that day. Since he entered from the front, though even with the tear gas a person in the military would have known what to do more, and been able to use their weapon effectively. And if more than one would have been carrying, even with kevlar, bullets still hurt, and backs, necks, legs etc are still vulnerable to penetration.

    On the otherhand.. one more may have died.. the shooter.

    Should private citizens be allowed to carry ABSOLUTELY it is our right. And is being taken away. Our constitution supposedly covers it but there are so many places you can't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    Probably, since there were military personnel there that had just recently been deployed, I would venture to say they MAY have chosen to conceal carry that day. Since he entered from the front, though even with the tear gas a person in the military would have known what to do more, and been able to use their weapon effectively. And if more than one would have been carrying, even with kevlar, bullets still hurt, and backs, necks, legs etc are still vulnerable to penetration.

    On the otherhand.. one more may have died.. the shooter.

    Should private citizens be allowed to carry ABSOLUTELY it is our right. And is being taken away. Our constitution supposedly covers it but there are so many places you can't.
    From what I read, the shooter was heavily protected. How would he have died?

    The scene was very chaotic. IMO, it would have been irresponsible for anyone to try to take a shot at him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ethanwinfield View Post
    From what I read, the shooter was heavily protected. How would he have died?

    The scene was very chaotic. IMO, it would have been irresponsible for anyone to try to take a shot at him.
    Even if a shot to the chest wouldn't have killed him it could very well have knocked him down. Just because the bullet doesn't go through doesn't mean that the force of the bullet isn't enough to knock the breath out of you. It isn't like on TV. It could have very well slowed him down enough for more people to escape.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Even if a shot to the chest wouldn't have killed him it could very well have knocked him down. Just because the bullet doesn't go through doesn't mean that the force of the bullet isn't enough to knock the breath out of you. It isn't like on TV. It could have very well slowed him down enough for more people to escape.
    Didn't his gun jam?

    Sure, maybe. Maybe the gunman would have gone down and then a cop got killed opening the gunman's apartment door.

    Or maybe one more innocent person would have died. There's no way to ever know for sure. But one thing remains fact: He purchased his weapons and ammo legally. Yes, he used them illegally, but that doesn't negate the fact that for him, the 2nd amendment remains intact. As is the 4th, 5th, and 6th.

    He was the hunter; that movie theater audience was his prey. He used the element of surprise and planned his attack ahead of time. I sure hope everyone would act responsibly and access the risk to innocent lives.

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    Practically no gun control in the States, yet people are being detained at the border for smuggling Kinder Eggs into the US. Seems pretty f-ed up to me.

    It may be your constitutional right to arm yourselves, but with one of the highest gun-related homicide rates in the world, doesn't really seem to favour of the general peace-abiding US citizen to afford criminals that right either. I think there is close to as many guns in the US as there are people. I read that statistic recently. Must try to find it.

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    I am torn on this. While I do believe we have the right to own a gun, but I have no desire to. I can just see DH having a very realistic dream and shoot someone in his sleep (probably me). Or our children finding it and firing it. That said, my father has had guns all my life for hunting deer. Bullets were always keep put up in a separate place from the guns. There is nothing at all wrong with him having them. As for taking a gun into a crowded movie theater, I do not think that is a good idea. It saddens me that now people will be nervous to go to any crowded place. I wish I know the right answer in this situation.

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    I think there is a big difference between hunting/target practice and shooting a human (even one hurting other people). Based in what I've seen at the shooting range, there are very few people I want with the ability to carry a gun in public for safety purposes. A movie theatre seems really chaotic. I think if an average person had a gun there, best case is it wouldn't have made much difference or worst case, another innocent person would have been shot.

    Without knowing the full details, I don't even know what a trained person would do in that situation. However, I would trust a trained person to make that call.

    Regarding gun laws, I don't know if it is a law thing or a culture thing. My DH does target practice and because he is not a US citizen, he cannot own a handgun (fine with him because he would just leave it at the range, he doesn't want it at home). In Canada, he would just have to do the safety classes and register. To me that makes it seem like Canada is more permissive but there people don't want the guns in their house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danifo View Post
    I think if an average person had a gun there, best case is it wouldn't have made much difference or worst case, another innocent person would have been shot.

    Without knowing the full details, I don't even know what a trained person would do in that situation. However, I would trust a trained person to make that call.
    There were actually 5 Sailors and 2 Airmen in the theater. I'm pretty sure all 7 of those men would have been trained on how to use a gun, probably even on what to do when civilians are around. 2 of them were killed and 2 of them were injured. 71 people were shot. He even had time to reload as he was walking up and down the ailes shooting people. I'm not sure how it could possibly have been worse if one of those men had been carrying a gun.
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    Pro-gun people love to speculate about what would have happened if someone with a gun was there. In that case, let's focus on guns and what we can do with them! Conversely, they don't like you to focus on the fact that someone with a gun (obtained legally) was there. And he killed a bunch of people and injured a bunch more, and traumatized the rest of them. In that case, we're not supposed to focus on the gun part, because guns don't kill people, people kill people. Or something.

    Personally, I don't think more people shooting into a darkened smoky theater full of panicky people would have made the situation better.

    I don't know if that means we need tighter gun control. Gun Control has never really been one of my pet causes and I haven't done enough research on it to really make an informed opinion.

    What I do know is that this incident isn't terribly surprising. That's someone using a gun to do exactly what guns are built and designed to do. If you build something that is expressly meant to shoot projectiles at people and kill them dead, how shocking is it really that someone gets a hold of one, and uses it to shoot projectiles at people and kill them dead?
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