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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    There was a day that journalists and newspapers were supposed to be impartial and report the news instead of make news and political statements. Those days are long gone. The people from this newspaper now have had all their names and addresses published too. I'm pretty sure the backlash from what they did will destroy this paper, as it should.
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    When was this?
    Actually not that long ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ethanwinfield View Post
    Filing for a gun permit is public record. FOIA allows access to this data. The newspaper has the right to publish it.
    It's kind of funny that you were the one saying how irresponsible gun owners were for allowing their guns to get stolen, yet you don't think its irresponsible to put out a list so any criminal that wants a gun knows where to go and steal one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    It's kind of funny that you were the one saying how irresponsible gun owners were for allowing their guns to get stolen, yet you don't think its irresponsible to put out a list so any criminal that wants a gun knows where to go and steal one.
    Yes, because guns weren't being stolen before this happened.

    Or, maybe it could deter people from trying to break into a home when they know the person has a gun permit.

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    People don't have to steal guns to get them easily. Hello, gun shows. Doesn't take much to acquire them thanks to loopholes in the law. No need to steal, when you can get them so freely.....

    Gloria, isn't the whole point of owning a gun to prevent theft/make things safer? If you are said gun owner, hey, bring it, right? Just try to steal from me? I'll gun you down?

    Either you are safer *with* a gun or you are safer *without* a gun, which is it?

    Do you really think criminals will risk being shot to steal a gun when they can easily access them other ways? I know there are lots of stupid criminals, but that seems extreme to me....
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    Quote Originally Posted by boilermaker View Post
    People don't have to steal guns to get them easily. Hello, gun shows. Doesn't take much to acquire them thanks to loopholes in the law. No need to steal, when you can get them so freely.....

    Gloria, isn't the whole point of owning a gun to prevent theft/make things safer? If you are said gun owner, hey, bring it, right? Just try to steal from me? I'll gun you down?

    Either you are safer *with* a gun or you are safer *without* a gun, which is it?

    Do you really think criminals will risk being shot to steal a gun when they can easily access them other ways? I know there are lots of stupid criminals, but that seems extreme to me....
    Just wanted to add that if you buy a gun at a gun show, your name won't show up on the map.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boilermaker View Post
    People don't have to steal guns to get them easily. Hello, gun shows. Doesn't take much to acquire them thanks to loopholes in the law. No need to steal, when you can get them so freely.....

    Gloria, isn't the whole point of owning a gun to prevent theft/make things safer? If you are said gun owner, hey, bring it, right? Just try to steal from me? I'll gun you down?

    Either you are safer *with* a gun or you are safer *without* a gun, which is it?

    Do you really think criminals will risk being shot to steal a gun when they can easily access them other ways? I know there are lots of stupid criminals, but that seems extreme to me....
    Well I think people who want to steal guns will watch houses first to make sure everyone is out, no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by boilermaker View Post
    People don't have to steal guns to get them easily. Hello, gun shows. Doesn't take much to acquire them thanks to loopholes in the law. No need to steal, when you can get them so freely.....
    Except strangely guns are expensive. Criminals don't tend to have a lot of money to go buy a gun at a gun show. Probably stealing them is a little easier in that case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    This is a weird analogy, but I'm going to go for it. When I was in 7th grade, my science & math teacher used to hand graded tests back one at a time, calling each student's name, in order of highest grade to lowest. I hated it. I was a strong student and was usually at or near the top (before my high school rebel phase), but I HATED that, I felt it was nobody's business but mine and the teacher's. It had nothing to do with the rest of the students. The kids with the low grades and the high grades hated it, the kids in the middle were less bothered by it.
    That's a poor analogy because a student's grades are private information between the student & school; no one else can find out that information without permission from the student or his parents. You have to sign a form giving colleges or employers the right to verify it. That teacher should have been disciplined for doing that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    That's a poor analogy because a student's grades are private information between the student & school; no one else can find out that information without permission from the student or his parents. You have to sign a form giving colleges or employers the right to verify it. That teacher should have been disciplined for doing that.

    Someone said the only reason foreclosures are listed is to shame those people. I disagree. The Notice of Default is one of the public notices that are legally required to be published in a general circulation newspaper for a certain number of days or weeks to make sure that all interested parties are aware of the situation and have a chance to remedy it. Legal name changes and fictious business name applications are other examples. In the case of foreclosure, there might be a co-signer or second lien holder who is completely unaware of the foreclosure and would be adversely affected by it, and who should have the opportunity to make good on the loan to save their own investment. In some places, home sales are listed. You might say no one needs to know how much you spent on your home, but it's public information. I love looking at those listings for my neighborhood! There was one place I looked at when it was up for rent, basically a very small one-bedroom apartment, no yard, no parking, and it sold a year later for $699,000.
    That's not what I said. I said listing the foreclosure as a public notice is one thing. Listing all people in a main article on the front page of a paper has the intent of shaming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    That's a poor analogy because a student's grades are private information between the student & school; no one else can find out that information without permission from the student or his parents. You have to sign a form giving colleges or employers the right to verify it. That teacher should have been disciplined for doing that.

    Someone said the only reason foreclosures are listed is to shame those people. I disagree. The Notice of Default is one of the public notices that are legally required to be published in a general circulation newspaper for a certain number of days or weeks to make sure that all interested parties are aware of the situation and have a chance to remedy it. Legal name changes and fictious business name applications are other examples. In the case of foreclosure, there might be a co-signer or second lien holder who is completely unaware of the foreclosure and would be adversely affected by it, and who should have the opportunity to make good on the loan to save their own investment. In some places, home sales are listed. You might say no one needs to know how much you spent on your home, but it's public information. I love looking at those listings for my neighborhood! There was one place I looked at when it was up for rent, basically a very small one-bedroom apartment, no yard, no parking, and it sold a year later for $699,000.

    I know it's OT, but to clarify on this, it depends. Scores on individual papers are not necessarily considered "private information." In fact, most grade books have a TA mode so that TAs can enter grades for a single assignment without ever seeing a student's overall grade for the class.

    If a single grade on a single assignment were considered "educational records" with regards to privacy, no graded work could ever be displayed in the classroom. Not even 100% multiplication "mad minutes."

    A complete grade can't be released without consent, but 1 score on 1 assignment isn't the same thing.

    Again, it depends on the state and how they define it.

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