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    Quote Originally Posted by ethanwinfield View Post
    I know it's OT, but to clarify on this, it depends. Scores on individual papers are not necessarily considered "private information." In fact, most grade books have a TA mode so that TAs can enter grades for a single assignment without ever seeing a student's overall grade for the class.

    If a single grade on a single assignment were considered "educational records" with regards to privacy, no graded work could ever be displayed in the classroom. Not even 100% multiplication "mad minutes."

    A complete grade can't be released without consent, but 1 score on 1 assignment isn't the same thing.

    Again, it depends on the state and how they define it.
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    I don't see the big deal. A lot of things are published in the newspaper... Name changes, marriages, obituaries, people that owe child support, etc. Court cases are listed online, you can search for people who are in jail, whatevs. If you want to have a private life, don't apply for public things or do public things. Even if all they did was list the individuals' name, it's still easy to search for their address.

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    I want to say again that I'm opposed to this list, because it's creepy.

    Having said that, in re: to criminals now knowing where they can steal guns, don't most gun owners keep their guns in a safe when they are not on their person? Or anyway, shouldn't they?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ethanwinfield View Post
    Just wanted to add that if you buy a gun at a gun show, your name won't show up on the map.

    Which is 100% why I don't buy that this list exposed any victims of abuse in protection or hiding from abusive spouses. If they were truly in hiding I have to believe that they would have gone this route and NEVER filed public info giving their name and address when applying for a gun license. I don't in any way believe the argument that this list exposed people in hiding....or if so, these people weren't hiding very well, as the person they were theoretically hiding from had public access to this information.

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    Just to clarify, Is it possible to go to a gun show and they will sell a gun to just anyone without there being any record or deep background check?!?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Just to clarify, Is it possible to go to a gun show and they will sell a gun to just anyone without there being any record or deep background check?!?!

    Yes. From Wiki:

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    .S. federal law requires persons engaged in interstate firearm commerce, or those who are "engaged in the business" of dealing firearms, to hold a Federal Firearms License and perform background checks through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System maintained by the FBI prior to transferring a firearm. Under the terms of the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986, however, individuals "not engaged in the business" of dealing firearms, or who only make "occasional" sales within their state of residence, are under no requirement to conduct background checks on purchasers or maintain records of sale (although even private sellers are forbidden under federal law from selling firearms to persons they have reason to believe are felons or otherwise prohibited from purchasing firearms).
    Those seeking to close the "Gun Show Loophole" argue that it provides convicted felons and other prohibited purchasers (i.e., domestic abusers, substance abusers, those who have been adjudicated as "mental defectives," etc.) with opportunities to evade background checks, as they can easily buy firearms from private sellers with no accountability or oversight.
    Use of the "Gun Show Loophole" has been advocated by terrorists. In the summer of 2011, Adam Yahiye Gadah declared that "America is absolutely awash with easily obtainable firearms." He also incorrectly claimed that, "You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card," Gadah urged Western extremists to follow this path. Subsequent news analysis indicated that individuals could not actually buy a fully automatic assault rifle at gun shows, although purchases of semi-automatic handguns and extended magazines remain legal without a criminal background check.[10][11]
    The term "Gun Show Loophole" has been contentious with gun rights advocates, however. They claim there is no "loophole," only a long-standing tradition of free commerce between private parties that heretofore has not been restricted in the context of secondary, intrastate firearm sales.[12][13] Furthermore, they argue that the term "Gun Show Loophole" is misleading, as private firearm sellers are not required to perform background checks regardless of location—whether they are at a gun show, a flea market, their home, or anywhere else. They also challenge federal jurisdiction in intrastate transactions between private parties, which they argue exceeds the federal power created by the Commerce Clause.[14]

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    Yikes! Well that would be a nice first step to fix.
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    Bonita and I agree- I think for the first time!

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    Isn't it strange how stories like these don't make the national news. I wonder how many people would have been killed if this guy hadn't been stopped?

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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    It's not about the crime, though, it's about the effectiveness and the effects of it. First, a "sex offender" can be someone who unwittingly had sex with a minor and got caught, it's not always someone who is preying on kids. Second, it gives people a false sense of security because they think they know where the sex offenders are, so they think everywhere else is safe. Third, it serves to further marginalize people who may be trying to find their way back into morality and normal society, and makes it impossible for them to do so without actually making it any safer for anybody around them. My first priority is the safety of innocents, and I don't think the sex offenders registry being public does anything to help that at all.

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