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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    While you are at it why don't you beg Missy to make you stop all your personal attacks. That would be nice.
    Pot, meet kettle. Do you have any debate point, Gloria?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Pot, meet kettle. Do you have any debate point, Gloria?
    Right. I often go on whole page rants putting someone down.
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    Okay Gloria. We will all just take that as an obvious no and those of us who are able will continue with the debate. Missy- this is why we need an abortion debate board- nothing good comes of the ridiculous topic mixing on every debate. If Bonita wants to talk about abortion in every debate give her her own board to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Okay Gloria. We will all just take that as an obvious no and those of us who are able will continue with the debate. Missy- this is why we need an abortion debate board- nothing good comes of the ridiculous topic mixing on every debate. If Bonita wants to talk about abortion in every debate give her her own board to do so.
    Right lets put abortion debates out of sight and sweep it under the rug and discuss the topics that you want to discuss. Because you never go off topic or mix something discussed on one debate into another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Right lets put abortion debates out of sight and sweep it under the rug and discuss the topics that you want to discuss. Because you never go off topic or mix something discussed on one debate into another.
    Gloria, you have to at least see that its rather incessant. And its not the random go off topic, where one topic spurrs another related topic. Its LOTS of topics go back to one specific topic, abortion.

    Maybe you don't find it tiresome, but I have to admit, I do.

    I used to not agree with the concept of a separate board. I used to think "if people want to participate in an abortion debate, then they can do so, and if they don't then they can just ignore it"

    But you can't ignore it when in
    Debate A: Issue A is compared to abortion
    Debate B: Issue B is compared to abortion
    Debate C: Issue C is compared to abortion

    its borderline obssesive.

    And this notion that you can't take issue with anything else, because you don't take issue with abortion is annoying.

    Maybe I'll start doing that with Gay Marriage. Two can place this game if we must. But really, how much of a circus do we want to create here.
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    The rules state that a poster is supposed to clearly state *abortion mentioned*. If it isn't working lets go back to the old way. Bunyfufu already left because of the language you all insist on debating abortion with. Anyway if you want to keep attacking me go for it but frankly it bores me so I'm out. I think that the abortion complaint is a Valid one and I hope missy addresses it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    Are you trying to suggest that gun crime has gone down because gun ownership has gone up? If so, are you just saying that's your gut feeling as to why? Or did you find an article/research paper that actually confirmed this.
    The graph below from the Department of Justice also highlights the fact that over the last 40 years, the amount of guns in America per 1000 people has increased, whereas serious violent crimes have decreased.


    Look at Chicago, which in 1982 passed a ban on all handguns except for those registered with the city before the ban was enacted.

    Since the handgun ban took effect, the number of murders in Chicago committed using handguns has been 40% higher than before the ban, and has spiked even higher in recent years, proving that the gun ban actually served to cause an increase in violent crime.

    In comparison, let?s take a look at Britain, which has some of the strictest gun control laws in the developed world. Given that one of the most vocal advocates for gun control in the aftermath of Sandy Hook has been a British citizen ? Piers Morgan ? who has used his platform on CNN to attack the second amendment, the contrast is illuminating.

    Despite the fact that it is virtually impossible for an average citizen to obtain a gun through legal channels in Britain, the rate of violent crime in the UK is higher per capita than the US and the highest in the world amongst ?rich? countries aside from Australia, which also instituted a draconian gun ban in the 1990′s.

    Preventing law-abiding people from owning guns clearly has no impact on violent crime, and if anything causes it to rise because the criminals know their victims will not be able to defend themselves.

    In addition, you are more than twice as likely to be a victim of knife crime in the UK than you are a victim of gun crime in the United States, but there is no media debate about banning kitchen knives.

    Despite virtually all handguns being outlawed in 1996 following the Dunblane school massacre in Scotland, with law-abiding people people rushing to turn in their firearms, over the next decade gun crime in the UK more than doubled. This proves that while law-abiding citizens willingly disarmed themselves, criminals were unfazed by the new laws and continued to use guns illegally. Therefore gun control only disarms innocent people since criminals do not follow the law.

    As the Wall Street Journal recently noted, ?Strict gun laws in Great Britain and Australia haven?t made their people noticeably safer, nor have they prevented massacres.?
    ? Statistics Prove: More Guns, Less Crime Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

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    None of that really proves anything though. Its all conjecture. You can't just say "Oh gun ownership has gone up" and "gun crime has gone down" so it HAS to be that one caused the other.
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    you know what else is fascinating about that graphic....is that the graphic kind of shows that something else is obviously at play here. Gun ownership has bee increasing steadily since the 70s, yet gun crime started to drop sharply starting around 95.

    This graphic kind of proves my point. Its not just "Get more guns in peoples hands and gun crime goes down!"
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    Here's another interesting tidbit, while the number of guns may be going up, i have seen articles that suggest that gun ownership is actually going down.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/us...pagewanted=all

    If this is true, then what it really means is that people who are gun owners, on average own a lot more guns than someone did in the 70s. Which makes a lot of sense if you think about it. I already stated that we own 8 guns. Some that have been around for ages, plus newer ones.

    Anyway, if this is the case, this really blows a hole in the "Arm everyone and crime rate goes down" argument.

    More guns...but in reality less people are likely to be armed today than in previous decades. Just the ones who are armed, are armed rather heavily.

    Food for thought.

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