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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    None of that really proves anything though. Its all conjecture. You can just say "Oh gun ownership has gone up" and "gun crime has gone down" so it HAS to be that one caused the other.
    Of course. You can read into it whatever you want there is no way to prove cause and effect. But if more people having guns were causing more violence don't you think the line would be going the other way? Statistics have shown the gun violence is almost exclusively in inner cities. Maybe we should address the real problem not keep law abiding citizens from having guns.
    People living in 50 of the largest cities, in fact, accounted for 67% of all firearm homicides. In addition, children and teens aged 10 to 19 in these areas — more than 85% of them male — accounted for 73% of all firearm homicides, Dahlberg noted.
    Large metropolitan areas suffer about two-thirds of all firearm homicides in the United States, with inner cities most affected, according to a new report from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    "The central cities really bear the burden of firearm homicides," said Linda L. Dahlberg, the associate director for science in CDC's Division of Violence Prevention, noting that the gun murder rate was highest among male children and teens.

    These findings "speak to the importance of addressing youth if we really want to do something about the gun violence problem," Dahlberg said.

    According to the CDC, 25,423 murders by gunfire took place in the United States in 2006 through 2007 — the years of the most recent available statistics.

    Among these deaths, the rate of firearm homicides was higher in inner cities than in other parts of cities and higher than the murder rate of the country as a whole, Dahlberg said. People living in 50 of the largest cities, in fact, accounted for 67% of all firearm homicides.

    In addition, children and teens aged 10 to 19 in these areas — more than 85% of them male — accounted for 73% of all firearm homicides, Dahlberg noted.

    In the United States, "gun violence escalated in the late 1980s and 1990s, fueled in part by the crack cocaine epidemic," Dahlberg said. "Even though the rates have declined since 1994, the proportion of youth homicides that are committed with firearms has remained consistently high."

    To reduce the carnage, the country needs to teach young people ways to resolve conflicts without violence, according to the CDC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    But if more people having guns
    My last post...you may not have gotten to it yet. I don't think it has been substantially proven that more people in relation to the general populous have guns.

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    It was so late when I posted last night, I did not even remember this morning that I had posted. I apologise to anyone I have offended.

    I personally believe an unborn baby is just as much of a baby as one that is already born. That is why I can not wrap my mind around the one number being ghastly and the other just fine. I understand not everyone agrees.

    I do think that it is tragic that lives are lost to gun violence. I also think there can be reasonable restrictions on gun ownership such as a background check on gun sales even through a private seller or gun show. I do not think there can be major restrictions on gun sales without first either rewriting the constitution or making an amendment to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    Here's another interesting tidbit, while the number of guns may be going up, i have seen articles that suggest that gun ownership is actually going down.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/us...pagewanted=all
    From that article:

    Gallup, which asks a similar question but has a different survey design, shows a higher ownership rate and a more moderate decrease. No national survey tracks the number of guns within households.

    Andrew Arulanandam, a spokesman for the National Rifle Association, said he was skeptical that there had been a decline in household ownership. He pointed to reports of increased gun sales, to long waits for gun safety training classes and to the growing number of background checks, which have surged since the late 1990s, as evidence that ownership is rising.

    ?I?m sure there are a lot of people who would love to make the case that there are fewer gun owners in this country, but the stories we?ve been hearing and the data we?ve been seeing simply don?t support that,? he said.
    I just don't believe that all the people buying these guns are people who already have one and are just hoarding them. I'm pretty sure though that the inner city males 10-19 years old responsible for the most gun deaths aren't the one's who are getting background checks and buying these guns.

    Gun dealers and buyers alike said that the rapid growth in gun sales ? which began climbing significantly after President Obama?s re-election and soared after the Dec. 14 shooting at a school in Newtown, Conn., prompted him to call for new gun laws ? shows little sign of abating.

    December set a record for the criminal background checks performed before many gun purchases, a strong indication of a big increase in sales, according to an analysis of federal data by the National Shooting Sports Foundation, a gun industry trade group. Adjusting the federal data to try to weed out background checks that were unrelated to firearms sales, the group reported that 2.2 million background checks were performed last month, an increase of 58.6 percent over the same period in 2011. Some gun dealers said in interviews that they had never seen such demand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I do think that it is tragic that lives are lost to gun violence. I also think there can be reasonable restrictions on gun ownership such as a background check on gun sales even through a private seller or gun show. I do not think there can be major restrictions on gun sales without first either rewriting the constitution or making an amendment to it.
    Was there an amendment to the constitution or was it rewritten when we started subjecting everyones carry-ons to screening and searches at the airport?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    From that article:
    I just don't believe that all the people buying these guns are people who already have one and are just hoarding them.
    Thats not what this means. It means two things:
    1)A lot of people who own guns now, own more than they would have in the 70's
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    2)New gun ownership is NOT keeping up with US population growth

    It does not mean that there are no 'new' gun owners. But it does still mean that gun ownership relative to the general population has gone down.

    And any stats about soaring sales says nothing about if it was their first gun or not.


    This combined with the graphic you provided...can we put this "the more armed people the safer the country" thing to bed maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    Was there an amendment to the constitution or was it rewritten when we started subjecting everyones carry-ons to screening and searches at the airport?
    The Constitution does not guarantee us the right to fly an airplane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    The Constitution does not guarantee us the right to fly an airplane.
    no but it promises that we are not subjected to unreasonable searches
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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    This combined with the graphic you provided...can we put this "the more armed people the safer the country" thing to bed maybe?
    No I still don't think that correlates. Even if the number of households with guns had decreased slightly, it hasn't decreased at even close to the rate that gun violence had decreased. So I still believe that we are safer by more people having guns.

    Besides I think Gallup is much more accurate.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    no but it promises that we are not subjected to unreasonable searches
    Exactly. What makes them feel like I'm going to blow up the plane or what not? I've never committed a crime. I've never even had a speeding ticket. I should be of no concern to them.

    But, I understand that they need to do what they need to do so I don't complain about it nor feel the need to amend the Constitution over it.
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