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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    Your point here is that not every study can account for all control values. I would agree with that too, but that is a separate issue from what I'm saying. And some research accounts for controls a lot better than others.
    Almost none of these studies can account for outside cause and effect. But I think the last example in D.C. is very good considering that the gun violence rates went down significantly only AFTER the gun ban was lifted and people were allowed to have guns again.
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    I'll hold my hands up and admit I can be judgemental when it comes to this subject in the US. I wouldn't say I stereotype, but when you read about all the shootings it's hard not to wonder why nothing is being done about it.

    That being said, I'm not from the US so I'm not sure of the laws etc.

    I am fortunate enough to live where I do. Maybe if I lived somewhere more dangerous then I might consider owning a gun, who knows. Right now though, I could not even imagine holding one!

    I'm not dilusional to the fact either that the gun problem on the streets of the US is so out of control, that even if something was brought in it wouldn't solve the issue. Maybe the Gov could help though by banning certain guns or making the restrictions for a licence a lot stricter?

    I remember watching a TV programme about gun violence in the US and in this particular State, they had carved every single person who was killed by a gun into a wall for all to see. The number of children killed was sickening. I've been trying to find it on google but with no success, very frustrating. As an outsider looking in, it just blows my mind that things like this happen yet there are gun shops all over the US. Or so it seems.... maybe I'm not looking at the bigger picture.

    In the UK, people own guns definitely. However, I know that if I was found with a gun in my house I woould be arrested for posession of a deadly weapon. Whether I had brandished it or not - if I had a license then fine but they would expect me to have it locked away. Also, they can take the license off you for the slightest reason - so if you genuinely want the gun for hunting you have to be straight up and down.

    Also, police officers don't carry weapons in the UK or here in the IOM. I'm not 100% sure of the reasons behind it but it appears that they prefer it this way from what I have read. That being said, the survey I read was from 2007 so I can imagine the thought on that has changed since 2 police officers were killed last year.

    I guess I'm just naive (thankful I'm allowed to be because of how safe it is here) and guns scare the cr@p out of me. I would shake just holding one!

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    So sorry to revive the gun control debate again. I hestitate doing that so much that i couldn't bring myself to create a new thread, but i really do want to see the opinions of people in relation to this story.

    A New 'Smart Rifle' Decides When To Shoot And Rarely Misses : All Tech Considered : NPR

    I'm very curious about if you feel that this gun should be available to the public. This is kind of new territory as it takes a huge portion of human error out of hitting your target. I mean is a gun a gun no matter what?

    A new rifle goes on sale on Wednesday, and it's not like any other. It uses lasers and computers to make shooters very accurate. A startup gun company in Texas developed the rifle, which is so effective that some in the shooting community say it should not be sold to the public.

    It's called the TrackingPoint rifle. On a firing range just outside Austin in the city of Liberty Hill, a novice shooter holds one and takes aim at a target 500 yards away. Normally it takes years of practice to hit something at that distance. But this shooter nails it on the first try.

    The rifle's scope features a sophisticated color graphics display. The shooter locks a laser on the target by pushing a small button by the trigger. It's like a video game. But here's where it's different: You pull the trigger but the gun decides when to shoot. It fires only when the weapon has been pointed in exactly the right place, taking into account dozens of variables, including wind, shake and distance to the target.

    The rifle has a built-in laser range finder, a ballistics computer and a Wi-Fi transmitter to stream live video and audio to a nearby iPad. Every shot is recorded so it can be replayed, or posted to YouTube or Facebook.


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    "Think of it like a smart rifle. You have a smart car; you got a smartphone; well, now we have a smart rifle," says company President Jason Schauble. He says the TrackingPoint system was built for hunters and target shooters, especially a younger generation that embraces social media.

    "They like to post videos; they like to be in constant communication with groups or networks," Schauble says. "This kind of technology, in addition to making shooting more fun for them, also allows shooting to be something that they can share with others."

    A team of 70 people spent three years creating the technology. Schauble says there's nothing else like it, even in the military. For civilians, TrackingPoint sells its high-end, long-range guns directly. With price tags of up to $22,000, they're not cheap.

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    The TrackingPoint rifle's display as seen through the scope.

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    One hunter who doesn't want one is Chris Wilbratte. He says the TrackingPoint system undermines what he calls hunting's "fair chase."

    "It's the traditional shooting fish in a barrel or the sitting duck. I mean, there's no skill in it, right? It's just you point, you let the weapon system do its thing and you pull the trigger and now you've killed a deer. There's no skill," Wilbratte says.


    This new rifle is being released as the gun control debate continues to simmer in Washington.

    Chris Frandsen, a West Point graduate who fought in Vietnam, doesn't believe the TrackingPoint technology should be allowed in the civilian world. The gun makes it too easy for a criminal or a terrorist to shoot people from a distance without being detected, he says.

    "Where we have mental health issues, where we have children that are disassociated from society early on, when we have terrorists who have political cards to play, we have to restrict weapons that make them more efficient in terrorizing the population," Frandsen says.


    Schauble says because the company sells directly ? instead of going through gun dealers ? it knows who its customers are and will vet them. And he says there's a key feature that prevents anyone other than the registered owner from utilizing the gun's capabilities.


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    Can 'Smart Gun' Technology Help Prevent Violence?
    "It has a password protection on the scope. When a user stores it, he can password protect the scope that takes the advanced functionality out. So the gun will still operate as a firearm itself, but you cannot do the tag/track/exact, the long range, the technology-driven precision-guided firearm piece without entering that pass code," he says.

    Schauble says demand has been "overwhelming." TrackingPoint now has a waiting list. Others are interested, too: Rifle maker Remington Arms wants to use the technology in rifles it wants to sell for around $5,000

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    I'm very curious about if you feel that this gun should be available to the public. This is kind of new territory as it takes a huge portion of human error out of hitting your target. I mean is a gun a gun no matter what?
    With a price tag of $22,000 I very much doubt there is a danger of the general public buying this gun. I don't think anyone should be specifically excluded from buying this gun over any other gun though.
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    Ugh...the fact that this exists is disturbing to me.

    As the person in the article said (as a hunter) it takes out the skill. It's no longer hunting it's just BAM! gotcha.

    I hate that it takes out the opportunity for the shooter to miss. My god. It's horrid to think of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    With a price tag of $22,000 I very much doubt there is a danger of the general public buying this gun. I don't think anyone should be specifically excluded from buying this gun over any other gun though.
    As with all technology related price tags, there is a very good chance that it will not stay at that price forever. It is brand new technology. I'm not saying it will ever be dirt cheap, and they will likely always be expensive, but i highly doubt as tehcnology improves that prices of guns with ultra high accuracy will stay that unobtainably high.

    The question isn't really about price, but if the general public should possess such technology. I understand your second comment addresses that though.

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    Of course ~ sniper rifles for the general public. Makes perfect sense.

    Ugh. My stomach hurts. Well funded terrorist groups will have no problem affording this gun. and since there is such a big push back against background checks, I'm sure they will have no problem getting them. Bravo, NRA! Bravo.
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    No, no reason for the general public to have that gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    Ugh...the fact that this exists is disturbing to me.

    As the person in the article said (as a hunter) it takes out the skill. It's no longer hunting it's just BAM! gotcha.

    I hate that it takes out the opportunity for the shooter to miss. My god. It's horrid to think of.
    For the people I know that hunt they do NOT do it for sport they do it for food. I do not think it is horrid at all. However.. they also couldn't afford this technology.
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    Did I say it was for sport? I just referenced that the person in the article DOES hunt and thinks it is ridiculous.

    Everyone I know that hunts also does so for food. I still think it should be a learned skill. I fish and it takes a lot of years and work to fish appropriately and to catch fish that you can eat consistently.
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