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    We have some friends that have 2 older boys and then a girl. She wanted a pink gun for her first gun, she wanted it so her brothers wouldnt touch it. It looks very real, and she is very aware of its capability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    Wait a minute...i just re-read that post. I know you said you are out, but i can't imagine what on earth would be bad about saying stereotyping people is stupid or shameful.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    probably a different debate!
    Well okay. i don't how we can make an entire debate about it.

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    Kim, I am with you on the stereotyping that comes with owning firearms. Unfortunately it is a stereotype that is not only socially acceptable to hold, but it almost seems to be encouraged.
    I dont get defensive over my family, but I do know families that have been shunned within social circles just for owning guns.
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    Until I came on this board, oh so many years ago (almost 10 I guess since Nathaniel is 9 1/2!) I had never knowingly met anyone who owned a gun. I thought it was only for weirdos. Then in some debate it turned out about half the women had guns and a lot of them had grown up where it was completely commonplace.

    Since then I have discovered that some of my coworkers (none of whom live in NYC) own guns. It is very strange to me but I've learned not to judge people just for owning them.

    I still think collecting them is weird.

    Then again, I have a collection of Star Trek action figures, and I'm 47. (I don't keep adding to it, but still...)

    If I've already met the person (like I've "met" you guys) it doesn't change my opinion, but if someone told me that someone I just met in passing had a bunch of guns, I'd be that stereotyper you guys hate for sure. I admit it.

    I guess I understand owning one for hunting, or having one because you live very far out from others/police and need protection, but otherwise it baffles me. It's just not in my zeitgeist. (There's a word I don't get to use a whole lot.)
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    Like Laurie I too admit to having some stereotypes of certain types of gun owners. I rabidly do not understand NRA supporters. I also have them about men with second or third wives more than 20 their junior, women who have had so much plastic surgery that their face can't move, people who watch cage fighting and lots more. You guys really are 100% stereotype free? I guess thats cool, but I can't imagine it? It'd be like walking through life pretending I didn't have 37 years of experience with people to learn from.

    I think that lots of gun owners are very responsible with their guns. Lots aren't. I'm very responsible with my kids car seats. Lots of people aren't, so I'm really glad that there are such stringent car seat laws out there. What flat out boggles my mind is the "responsible" gun owners who don't want any infringement on the crazy people....because their personal children are safe from gun violence in side their home. What about the kids who can't speak for themselves? My father has a shotgun for when we sportfish ~ there is no bringing a big shark onto the boat alive. It holds two shots. It is locked in a gun safe separate from the ammunition. Even though we are safe from it, if a law was passed saying that we had to keep that gun in a gun club and take it out on the three or four days/year that we may be shark fishing, we would all support that law, because it would help keep guns in the hands of responsible people. I don't see that as infringing on our rights, but protecting other people. The disconnect for me is where this idea of "rights" trumps actual people. That is where, yes, I picture someone I cannot relate to on the issue of guns. That does not mean I cannot relate to them on other things, or that I dislike them as an individual.
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    And I agree that I don't understand the unwillingness to make laws that require background checks. It completely baffles me. I'm a responsible, safe driver but I want people to have to take a test to get their license, to have their license taken away if they deserve it, I'd be happier if it was harder to pass the test too. I want OTHER responsible drivers out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    I guess I understand owning one for hunting, or having one because you live very far out from others/police and need protection, but otherwise it baffles me. It's just not in my zeitgeist. (There's a word I don't get to use a whole lot.)
    FYI, we own 8, and they are all for hunting or learning to hunt. They all serve different purposes, no one gun could do it all. Or for example we have a muzzle loader, because there is a separate season in which you can only use your muzzle loader. You can't hunt all animals with the same guns (For example there is no such gun that you could use to shoot both a turkey and a moose). This isn't really a debate rebuttal, just information offered up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Like Laurie I too admit to having some stereotypes of certain types of gun owners. I rabidly do not understand NRA supporters. I also have them about men with second or third wives more than 20 their junior, women who have had so much plastic surgery that their face can't move, people who watch cage fighting and lots more. You guys really are 100% stereotype free? I guess thats cool, but I can't imagine it? It'd be like walking through life pretending I didn't have 37 years of experience with people to learn from.
    Who is 100% stereotype free? No one. Does that mean we should justify it? I don't think so. We call people out on these boards all the time for making inappropriate judgements, generalizations and stereotypes. But all of a sudden when it comes to gun owners, the answer is "we all steretype..its okay"

    I think that lots of gun owners are very responsible with their guns. Lots aren't. I'm very responsible with my kids car seats. Lots of people aren't, so I'm really glad that there are such stringent car seat laws out there. What flat out boggles my mind is the "responsible" gun owners who don't want any infringement on the crazy people....because their personal children are safe from gun violence in side their home. What about the kids who can't speak for themselves? My father has a shotgun for when we sportfish ~ there is no bringing a big shark onto the boat alive. It holds two shots. It is locked in a gun safe separate from the ammunition. Even though we are safe from it, if a law was passed saying that we had to keep that gun in a gun club and take it out on the three or four days/year that we may be shark fishing, we would all support that law, because it would help keep guns in the hands of responsible people. I don't see that as infringing on our rights, but protecting other people. The disconnect for me is where this idea of "rights" trumps actual people. That is where, yes, I picture someone I cannot relate to on the issue of guns. That does not mean I cannot relate to them on other things, or that I dislike them as an individual.
    I would be totally against having to keep the gun somewhere else other than the house, just like i would be against banning swimming pools at residential properties. Sure i care about the little kids who drown in swimming pools...and no one NEEDS a swimming pool in their back yard. But people should be able to have swimming pools, even though their are irresponsible parents. People should be able to have ATV's, even though there are irresponsible people. I don't see much precedent being set for telling people they can't keep stuff at home because other parents don't know how to protect their kids from it.

    I am fine with regulations within a household. I'd be fine with finding parents negligent for leaving unlocked guns in their house. Right now the rates of that are too low. I'm fine with universal background checks. I'm not personally against all regulation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    And I agree that I don't understand the unwillingness to make laws that require background checks. It completely baffles me. I'm a responsible, safe driver but I want people to have to take a test to get their license, to have their license taken away if they deserve it, I'd be happier if it was harder to pass the test too. I want OTHER responsible drivers out there.
    I don't understand this either, but i thought most recent stats said the majority of people supported universal background checks. Regardless...i don't understand not supporting it.

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