GUNS - Page 5
+ Reply to Thread
Page 5 of 21 FirstFirst 12345678915 ... LastLast
Results 41 to 50 of 204
Like Tree88Likes

Thread: GUNS

  1. #41
    Posting Addict
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    14,461

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    Who is 100% stereotype free? No one. Does that mean we should justify it? I don't think so. We call people out on these boards all the time for making inappropriate judgements, generalizations and stereotypes. But all of a sudden when it comes to gun owners, the answer is "we all steretype..its okay"



    I would be totally against having to keep the gun somewhere else other than the house, just like i would be against banning swimming pools at residential properties. Sure i care about the little kids who drown in swimming pools...and no one NEEDS a swimming pool in their back yard. But people should be able to have swimming pools, even though their are irresponsible parents. People should be able to have ATV's, even though there are irresponsible people. I don't see much precedent being set for telling people they can't keep stuff at home because other parents don't know how to protect their kids from it.

    I am fine with regulations within a household. I'd be fine with finding parents negligent for leaving unlocked guns in their house. Right now the rates of that are too low. I'm fine with universal background checks. I'm not personally against all regulation.
    oh I don't just mean their kids. I mean my kids too. And the kids at sandy hook. And people watching a movie. Or attending a political rally. Etc etc

  2. #42
    Posting Addict
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Posts
    23,463

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    FYI, we own 8, and they are all for hunting or learning to hunt. They all serve different purposes, no one gun could do it all. Or for example we have a muzzle loader, because there is a separate season in which you can only use your muzzle loader. You can't hunt all animals with the same guns (For example there is no such gun that you could use to shoot both a turkey and a moose). This isn't really a debate rebuttal, just information offered up.

    I have long knitting needles and shorter one, double pointed knitting needles, ones of different diameter, circular ones...because you can't knit everything with the same set of needles. Same kind of thing.
    I have 5 different whisks, two sets of measuring cups & spoons, etc. I get it when it's equipment vs. collectibles.
    Laurie, mom to:
    Nathaniel ( 10 ) and Juliet ( 7 )




    Baking Adventures In A Messy Kitchen (blog)

  3. #43
    Posting Addict KimPossible's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2002
    Posts
    20,119

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    oh I don't just mean their kids. I mean my kids too. And the kids at sandy hook. And people watching a movie. Or attending a political rally. Etc etc
    Oh, i was thinking of it the context of this original topic.

    I'd rather there be regulations on how you get guns and who can have them, where you can actually take them to and how, then telling people they can't keep them or use them on their private property. I mean....even when we hunt, its on private property so I don't even see how something like this is feasible.

  4. #44
    Posting Addict Rivergallery's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    Oregon
    Posts
    9,761

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    Oh, i was thinking of it the context of this original topic.

    I'd rather there be regulations on how you get guns and who can have them, where you can actually take them to and how, then telling people they can't keep them or use them on their private property. I mean....even when we hunt, its on private property so I don't even see how something like this is feasible.
    Can that be done with leaving the US Constitution how it is, or do we need to change/modify.. amend it?
    DH-Aug 30th 1997 Josiah - 6/3/02 Isaac 7/31/03

  5. #45
    Posting Addict KimPossible's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2002
    Posts
    20,119

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    Can that be done with leaving the US Constitution how it is, or do we need to change/modify.. amend it?
    we already have exceptions and rules around some of the other amendments....even the second, so sure.
    Emma 08/31/01
    Aodhan 07/24/03
    Lillian 03/04/05
    Nathalie 07/01/07
    Cecilia Marie 1/10/10


    Photo By Anne Schmidt Photography

  6. #46
    Posting Addict
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    14,461

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    Who is 100% stereotype free? No one. Does that mean we should justify it? I don't think so. We call people out on these boards all the time for making inappropriate judgements, generalizations and stereotypes. But all of a sudden when it comes to gun owners, the answer is "we all steretype..its okay"
    I would be totally against having to keep the gun somewhere else other than the house, just like i would be against banning swimming pools at residential properties. Sure i care about the little kids who drown in swimming pools...and no one NEEDS a swimming pool in their back yard. But people should be able to have swimming pools, even though their are irresponsible parents. People should be able to have ATV's, even though there are irresponsible people. I don't see much precedent being set for telling people they can't keep stuff at home because other parents don't know how to protect their kids from it.

    I am fine with regulations within a household. I'd be fine with finding parents negligent for leaving unlocked guns in their house. Right now the rates of that are too low. I'm fine with universal background checks. I'm not personally against all regulation.
    To the bolded, I guess. I don't know, I frequently get told I'm stereotyping because I admit that I frequently do it. I also willingly accept that there are exceptions to every stereotype and of COURSE not every person who does or is XYZ is automatically one way. But as I pull into my gym in the morning, and there are 300 cars that look exactly like mine, and there are 300 women in their mid to late 30's rushing with their 3-4 young and closely spaced kids (careers first of course) into classes and they are dressed in almost identical clothes and brands as I am and we then all drive our children to the same preschools and do the same tball and dance and PTA circuits and whatnot.....it couldn't hit me in the face more clearly that yes, I am exactly like a stereotype of a SAHM suburban Mom. Is that awful? Are there things about me that make me very different? Of COURSE! But in many ways I fit very neatly into that stereotype. So, no, I don't think that I am one of the people generally squaking about others doing that. We do it to poor black people, we do it of immigrants, we do it happily to the "greedy CEO's!!!!" etc etc....we all do it, all the time. And you may be more sensitive to this one, but that doesn't mean that we should all pretend that there isn't an image out there of some NRA gun toting NOT so educated person talking about his "freedoms".....and like it or not you may be nothing like him but to many, especially if you fight to limit any sort of gun control or to even acknowledge that we have a problem, you are the same as him. I know that you DON'T want no limits or no background checks etc, but like I acknowledged, there are exceptions and variations within any group of people. Not all golfers come from wealthy backgrounds. Not all women with frozen faces have self image issues or body dysmorphic disorder (okay I don't believe that one ) anyway.

    I think that the swimming pool thing is a tough comparison to make with a straight face.

    Methods. We obtained data about drowning deaths in the United States (1995?1998) from death certificates, medical examiner reports, and newspaper clippings collected by the US Consumer Product Safety Commission.
    Results. During the study period, 678 US residents aged 5 to 24 years drowned in pools. Seventy-five percent were male, 47% were Black, 33% were White, and 12% were Hispanic. Drowning rates were highest among Black males, and this increased risk persisted after we controlled for income. The majority of Black victims (51%) drowned in public pools, the majority of White victims (55%) drowned in residential pools, and the majority of Hispanic victims (35%) drowned in neighborhood pools (e.g., an apartment complex pool). Foreign-born males also had an increased risk for drowning compared with American-born males.
    Conclusions. Targeted interventions are needed to reduce the incidence of swimming pool drownings across racial/ethnic groups, particularly adult supervision at public pools.

    Two thoughts~ it is hard for me to compare the deaths of 687 people over 4 years to the, what was it, like 31,000 gun deaths in the US in JUST 2012?
    Secondly I don't see the data being all that compelling that its residential pools that are the problem, certainly not for black people, BARELY so for white people, and hispanics seem to die in apartment pools. Soooooo, yeah, I could see more of an argument for banning ALL pools than just banning residential ones, really. And if people wanted to ban ALL guns without trying to figure out a way (like gun storage clubs for sport etc) where background checked people could check out their own guns when they plan to hunt/fish etc then yes,well, I think that that would be as illogical as banning all pools. But when a crazy person can steal their mothers Semi automatic, or Glorias POLICE OFFICER husband can have all of his guns stolen from his house, when young babies are shooting one another to death with guns.....yes, there is a problem with how guns are handled and controlled in this country. Fact.

    In 2015 they predict that more Americans will die from gun violence than from driving. Could that possibly be related to all of the regulation surrounding seatbelts, carseats, crash test safety ratings, and crackdown on what people can do in their home (drink) before they drive? I think so. Why is it sooooooo crazy to ask for the same surrounding guns? Wasn't gloria or someone saying that a car was a weapon on the walmart shooting debate? We regulate the heck out of that weapon, why can't we regulate guns much the same way?

    And really, at the end of the day, other countries have done it. We just aren't THAT much more backward that we couldn't figure this out like the rest of the civilized world, are we?. The rate that Americans are killing Americans is downright shameful, so, yeah, I'm okay with understanding why someone who lives in a country where they have a minute number of gun related deaths looks at us like Minx in the OP and says " I just don't get it". I don't either. That is what I was replying to , more than the actual news story, sorry if I wasn't clear.
    Minx_Kristi likes this.

  7. #47
    Posting Addict GloriaInTX's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Dallas, TX
    Posts
    7,597

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    I think that the swimming pool thing is a tough comparison to make with a straight face.

    Two thoughts~ it is hard for me to compare the deaths of 687 people over 4 years to the, what was it, like 31,000 gun deaths in the US in JUST 2012?
    Actually the numbers are VERY comparable. Here is the number of accidental gun deaths for children 18 and under for 2010 from the CDC.



    WISQARS Fatal Injury Reports
    Last edited by GloriaInTX; 05-05-2013 at 05:23 PM.
    Mom to Lee, Jake, Brandon, Rocco
    Stepmom to Ryan, Regan, Braden, Baley
    Granddaughters Kylie 10/18/2010 & Aleya 4/22/2013


    I never consider a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosopy, as a cause for withdrawing from a friend. --Thomas Jefferson

  8. #48
    Posting Addict
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    14,461

    Default

    Oh-right-but I don't want my husband or I (or tens of thousands of adults i dont know. TENs OF THOUSANDS) to die from some wack job with a gun either. Super selfish like that. If you want to ban pools I will sign the petition or else require that only children who have had swimming lessons or pass a proficiency test can swim in public pools. There are already mad safety regs where I live involving private pools- if bad parents fail their kids I guess we just say it isn't pools that kill people it's people who kill people and agree?

  9. #49
    Posting Addict GloriaInTX's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Dallas, TX
    Posts
    7,597

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Oh-right-but I don't want my husband or I (or tens of thousands of adults i dont know. TENs OF THOUSANDS) to die from some wack job with a gun either. Super selfish like that. If you want to ban pools I will sign the petition or else require that only children who have had swimming lessons or pass a proficiency test can swim in public pools. There are already mad safety regs where I live involving private pools- if bad parents fail their kids I guess we just say it isn't pools that kill people it's people who kill people and agree?
    Or we could just agree that anything is dangerous if the right precautions are not taken. Children require supervision in pools just the same as they require supervision with guns to be safe. And a pool needs to be fenced off so children can't accidentally fall in just as a gun should be put up so children can't accidentally fire it. Seems pretty simple to me.
    Mom to Lee, Jake, Brandon, Rocco
    Stepmom to Ryan, Regan, Braden, Baley
    Granddaughters Kylie 10/18/2010 & Aleya 4/22/2013


    I never consider a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosopy, as a cause for withdrawing from a friend. --Thomas Jefferson

  10. #50
    Posting Addict
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    14,461

    Default

    Hey 15600 was a HUGE OMG number to you on the last debate. If 31000 in this one is no big sweat I get it. Double the number of actual people vs fetuses. Dead. But you don't care at all. That's cool. Anyway I'm celebrating the faux holiday of 5 may so I will have to catch you ttomorrow.
    Last edited by Potter75; 05-05-2013 at 06:06 PM.

+ Reply to Thread
Page 5 of 21 FirstFirst 12345678915 ... LastLast

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
v -->

About Us | Contact Us | Privacy Policy | Sitemap | Terms & Conditions