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    Quote Originally Posted by mom3girls View Post
    I completely agree, and I also think both sides are not really willing to sit and listen to the other side. I believe both sides want the same thing, for people to stop being murdered with guns. They just have differing opinions on how to get there. I think that is why I am so saddened by the socially accepted stereotype of gun owners, I think it shuts the non gun owners minds down to seeing that responsible gun owners do not have to be targeted
    Yeah but I can see a lot of merit in the argument that there are just too many guns out there...easy access, and that reducing the amount of easy access guns would significantly bring down the number of murders. Which in the end means that responsible gun owners might need to make some sacrifices. Its not the they are 'targeted', that makes it sound like they did something bad.

    I guess in essence I'm saying I don't agree with the statement that if you are a responsible gun owner that you shouldn't have to do anything different than you do today to help with the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    What about when you look at mass shootings? how common are semi automatics in those situations? what's wrong with the nation saying "I've had it with the mass shooting, i want to target that particular problem"

    And for the record, I'm not asking how many people die in those types of situations compared to all deaths...I'm simply saying i think it's okay if Americans speak up and say i want to do something about that in particular.
    The problem is you can't do something about that problem specifically because it is so rare that regular people will be punished in the process. Out of 62 mass shootings since 1982, 20 used rifles that they are calling assault weapons. So you are going to punish over 3 million people who own AR15's not counting those who have similar guns because 20 were used in mass shootings in a 31 year span?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    The problem is you can't do something about that problem specifically because it is so rare that regular people will be punished in the process. Out of 62 mass shootings since 1982, 20 used rifles that they are calling assault weapons. So you are going to punish over 3 million people who own AR15's not counting those who have similar guns because 20 were used in mass shootings in a 31 year span?
    Many more murders were done by other things... and we are not talking about banning or limiting them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    The problem is you can't do something about that problem specifically because it is so rare that regular people will be punished in the process. Out of 62 mass shootings since 1982, 20 used rifles that they are calling assault weapons. So you are going to punish over 3 million people who own AR15's not counting those who have similar guns because 20 were used in mass shootings in a 31 year span?
    I'm not supporting the definition of the 'assualt rifle'. I never said i did.

    But yeah, in general I'm perfectly fine with 'regular' people having to alter the way they do things now in order to change these things in the future. I'm not talking about current legislation...i'm simply in disagreement that responsible people should have the liberty to do whatever they want . And for the record, for a civilized non war torn country, worldwide, thats a lot of f'ing mass shootings in a 31 year span.

    ETA: and lets not just talk about mass shootings based on what the govt wants to call an assault weapon...lets talk about the use of any semi-automatic in a mass shooting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    ETA: and lets not just talk about mass shootings based on what the govt wants to call an assault weapon...lets talk about the use of any semi-automatic in a mass shooting.
    Then they should be talking about handguns then because out of 143 weapons used by the 62 shooters, 71 of them were semi-automatic handguns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Then they should be talking about handguns then because out of 143 weapons used by the 62 shooters, 71 of them were semi-automatic handguns.
    I'm not sure who you are arguing with. You certainly aren't arguing with me. A semi-automatic is a semi-automatic.

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    I guess what I don't understand in this whole argument is why anybody, especially responsible gun owners, would be against background checks.
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    And i'd like to be clear on something else here. I think there are plenty of places where we can change things without focusing strictly on banning or restricting the use of semi-automatic fire arms of any sort.

    However if we put together some sort of legislation focusing on other things, such as universal background checks, some way to address the issues of mental illness, whatever else we may deem appropriate but it proves to be inadequate, i'm simply not above changing things in my own life as a responsible gun-owner to help fix the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    I guess what I don't understand in this whole argument is why anybody, especially responsible gun owners, would be against background checks.
    Like i said before, i thought polls and stats showed an overwhelming majority of people did support them. But i could be wrong. I mean there is always going to be at least a small minority with extreme views on stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    I guess what I don't understand in this whole argument is why anybody, especially responsible gun owners, would be against background checks.
    Can you show me in the Bill of Rights where there is a right of the government to know who owns guns that the populous could use to overthrow it?
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