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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    The school has to provide equally.

    Think of it this way...if the parents of the kids in an AP Biology class banded together to buy supplies for their classes because the school can't afford new supplies for any biology class is that fair? Would it be better to get as many parents together to raise as much money as possible and spread it out amongst all the science classes and levels?
    The school did not provide, the parents did.

    Yes, it would be fair for parents to donate materials to a biology class. It would be no different than a teacher bringing in their own supplies to supplement a class which happens all the time.

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    No actually, when it comes to school sponsored sports it doesn't matter who provides it has to be equal.

    Donating tissues to a teacher is one thing. Donating new books, equipment etc. is completely wrong when it only benefits one set of a student population. It gives them an educational advantage that is not being provided to all. You cannot do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    No actually, when it comes to school sponsored sports it doesn't matter who provides it has to be equal.

    Donating tissues to a teacher is one thing. Donating new books, equipment etc. is completely wrong when it only benefits one set of a student population. It gives them an educational advantage that is not being provided to all. You cannot do that.
    I do not have a child that is in sports so I do not know if that has changed when I was in school, but it was not that way when I went to school.

    So in your situation, If one biology teacher personally owned a very expensive really nice microscope he could not bring it into class and show his students because it would be unfair to the students who are not in his class? That is beyond messed up and I can not believe that it is that way. Everything is not the same in different classes between schools. One class might go on several field trip and another class's teacher might be anti field trips. One class might have a show and tell where they bring their parent in who is an Astronaut. None of the other classes in that grade would have the same opportunity.

    This POV is something I truly can not understand. Life is not always going to be fair. It would exactly be like my previous example where you take away from your child that worked hard and saved her money to please the child who wasted her money. Ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Ridiculous.
    Jessica - I wanted to make sure I let you know that I think that the idea that everything has to be fair all the time is ridiculous, not that I think that you are ridiculous. In hind site, I do not think I worded that very well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I disagree that the parents could not buy something nice just because the other parents did not. That would be like if there were two sisters. One worked hard, did odd jobs to earn money saved her allowance for a very long time and then bought a nice doll with it. Then the other sister who never did any extra chores to earn money and spent any money she did get on candy being all upset that the first sister could afford to buy a doll and she couldn't. Then the parents came in and took the first sisters doll away because the second sister was upset. Totally unfair IMO. The boys team worked really hard to save up the money for the bleachers. It is not their fault that the girls team did not do the same.
    Not exactly. It would be more like if both sisters were given the opportunity to do odd jobs to earn money. One sister was given a rake, gloves, a leaf blower, and a green waste barrel. The other sister was given nothing. After 3 hours the first sister has gotten a lot of work done while the other sister has done very little. And then questioning/wondering why she hadn't done very much.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I do not have a child that is in sports so I do not know if that has changed when I was in school, but it was not that way when I went to school.

    So in your situation, If one biology teacher personally owned a very expensive really nice microscope he could not bring it into class and show his students because it would be unfair to the students who are not in his class? That is beyond messed up and I can not believe that it is that way. Everything is not the same in different classes between schools. One class might go on several field trip and another class's teacher might be anti field trips. One class might have a show and tell where they bring their parent in who is an Astronaut. None of the other classes in that grade would have the same opportunity.

    This POV is something I truly can not understand. Life is not always going to be fair. It would exactly be like my previous example where you take away from your child that worked hard and saved her money to please the child who wasted her money. Ridiculous.
    It mainly stems from Title 9 and in CA, we also have the Williams' Act. Life isn't always going to be fair but shouldn't schools strive to be equal?

    Your POV seems to suggest the girls have somehow brought it on themselves that their field isn't as good as the boys'. Part of the big thing with sports is that it is very easy to get financial support for boys' teams. Not so much for girls'. A school can't condone gender discrimination regardless of the form it takes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ethanwinfield View Post
    Not exactly. It would be more like if both sisters were given the opportunity to do odd jobs to earn money. One sister was given a rake, gloves, a leaf blower, and a green waste barrel. The other sister was given nothing. After 3 hours the first sister has gotten a lot of work done while the other sister has done very little. And then questioning/wondering why she hadn't done very much.



    It mainly stems from Title 9 and in CA, we also have the Williams' Act. Life isn't always going to be fair but shouldn't schools strive to be equal?

    Your POV seems to suggest the girls have somehow brought it on themselves that their field isn't as good as the boys'. Part of the big thing with sports is that it is very easy to get financial support for boys' teams. Not so much for girls'. A school can't condone gender discrimination regardless of the form it takes.
    Unless I am misunderstanding the OP, the parents on the boys team raised the money for new bleachers. The parents of the girls team did not. They all had the same starting materials and the boys team went out and raised money and the girls did not. I do not see how that relates to your example. How was one sister given a rake and the other was not? How were they not given the exact same opportunities with only one group taking advantage of it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Unless I am misunderstanding the OP, the parents on the boys team raised the money for new bleachers. The parents of the girls team did not. They all had the same starting materials and the boys team went out and raised money and the girls did not. I do not see how that relates to your example. How was one sister given a rake and the other was not? How were they not given the exact same opportunities with only one group taking advantage of it?
    Because it is so much easier to get support for boys' sports. If both teams sold Gaterade at their games to pay for new bleachers, and every person who attended the game bought 1 bottle, the boys will outsell the girls hands down. If the hit up the local businesses for sponsors, the boys will get more support. Society has placed a greater value on boys' sports. Just by being boys, they have the advantage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I do not have a child that is in sports so I do not know if that has changed when I was in school, but it was not that way when I went to school.

    So in your situation, If one biology teacher personally owned a very expensive really nice microscope he could not bring it into class and show his students because it would be unfair to the students who are not in his class? That is beyond messed up and I can not believe that it is that way. Everything is not the same in different classes between schools. One class might go on several field trip and another class's teacher might be anti field trips. One class might have a show and tell where they bring their parent in who is an Astronaut. None of the other classes in that grade would have the same opportunity.

    This POV is something I truly can not understand. Life is not always going to be fair. It would exactly be like my previous example where you take away from your child that worked hard and saved her money to please the child who wasted her money. Ridiculous.
    No, bringing in a microscope that they own is not an advantage. What would be an advantage is if one set of classes got new textbooks, new supplies (new microscopes, animals to dissect etc) when the other classes don't have access to those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    No, bringing in a microscope that they own is not an advantage. What would be an advantage is if one set of classes got new textbooks, new supplies (new microscopes, animals to dissect etc) when the other classes don't have access to those.
    The school didn't provide something new for the students. The parents did. It is just not the same thing.

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    So you guys are saying that it would be better to ban anyone from raising money to get new things than it would be do allow some parents to do so even if the other parents did not want to participate.

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