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    Hobby Lobby claims it can delay contraceptive coverage rule, fines | Fox News

    Do you believe that the Hobby Lobby should be forced to proved the morning after pill to its employees?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Hobby Lobby claims it can delay contraceptive coverage rule, fines | Fox News

    Do you believe that the Hobby Lobby should be forced to proved the morning after pill to its employees?
    They should be forced to provide the same insurance coverage that everyone else has to provide.

    I don't think that what an employee does with her insurance coverage is a violation of the owner's religious rigths. They provide the insurance as part of the payment that they provide to their employees for working there. That's like saying that my boss has a say over what I spend my paycheck on (since it's "his money" - except that it's not, I earned it and he paid it to me, so now it's mine.) Um, no. Their religious rights end with their own lives and bodies, and mine end with my own life and body. If you pay me something (be that money or insurance coverage) to do my job, that makes it mine, not yours.
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    Exactly Alissa.
    Hobby Lobby doesn't buy the morning after pill for their employees, therefore they do NOT provide the pills for their employees. They provide insurance coverage for their employees. That's it.

    And they should. They have loyal employees, it's very fair that they should give them healthcare coverage.
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    So if a federal law came down that said that companies must provide plan that will distribute a bible, koran or another religious book to every employee, you guys think that because it's a federal law, the companies should comply with it despite the fact that it violates their religious beliefs?

    No one should have to provide abortions whether it be through a pill or an actual abortion or the insurance that covers it. It is the same as paying taxes to provide abortions. It's against many many many people's religion and it's well-known and established. I think it's absolutely ridiculous that all of President Obama's supporters, campaign contributors, and cronies get exemptions from this law for reasons that aren't protected by the Constitution but I guess since we're trampling all over the thing now, I should expect special treatment for those who realize what a mess this bill is and had the common sense to put their money into a politician instead of their employees.
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    I disagree wholeheartedly with the whole pay for insurance and that's it. When I donated my kidney, the military paid for the operation through Tricare. If the military didn't cover that, Tricare wouldn't pay it. Simple as that. Paying for the coverage is without a doubt paying for the actual procedure/prescription/visit whether there are co-pays involved or not. Otherwise people wouldn't ask about their healthcare plan before accepting a job.

    eta- It's Nothing Like a Paycheck. A paycheck is paid to you (minus anything the federal government wants taken out) and what you do with it is completely your decision. If one of your benefits is also going to the gym in their building, they are going to have rules and regulations in place for how you use it and when. They probably will want a doctor to sign off on your workout plan or something similar. Because they will be held responsible. Which is exactly how Hobby Lobby and other Christian's feel when they are told they have to provide something they consider murder. Whether you (and our Federal government) like it or not, they are protected by our Constitution from being responsible for something that is against their religion.
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    Before I answer I do have a question. Does anyone know if it is an option for the Hobby Lobby to just not offer any Health Insurance at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Before I answer I do have a question. Does anyone know if it is an option for the Hobby Lobby to just not offer any Health Insurance at all?
    Nope.

    Back to my logic. If I give a bum $10, I'm not responsible for what he does with that even if I know damn well he's probably going to buy liquor, drugs, or cigarettes. It's not my problem, he asked for it, I hope he does something good with it, but ultimately that decision is his. If I see him falling down on the sidewalk and he asks for a cigarette and I give it to him, that is my responsibility. I know what he's going to do with it and I'm giving it to him for that purpose. I've made that decision and part of the responsibility becomes mine.

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    The morning after pill is not an abortion pill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mommytoMR.FACE View Post
    The morning after pill is not an abortion pill.
    Whether or not this is true, there are thousands of people who believe that it is. Should they be forced to pay for something that they believe is wrong from the very fiber of their being? If the morning after pill is abortion or not is not really relevant. If the Government has the right to tell a private company they must go against their moral convictions it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Whether or not this is true, there are thousands of people who believe that it is. Should they be forced to pay for something that they believe is wrong from the very fiber of their being? If the morning after pill is abortion or not is not really relevant. If the Government has the right to tell a private company they must go against their moral convictions it.
    Lillie, I disagree that it's not like a paycheck. My employer refers to my paycheck, my 401K, my stock options, and my insurance as my "compensation package." It's all part of what they pay me to work there. And I maintain that it's up to me what I do with my pay. My employer may have deeply held religious disagreements with drinking, but no one is arguing that it's their right to tell me that I can't buy a case of beer with my paycheck if I want. Their religious objections only apply to themselves, they have nothing to do with me.
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