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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Whether or not this is true, there are thousands of people who believe that it is. Should they be forced to pay for something that they believe is wrong from the very fiber of their being? If the morning after pill is abortion or not is not really relevant. If the Government has the right to tell a private company they must go against their moral convictions it.
    It's not about what is felt if it's true or not. The fact is that it is not an abortion pill. What is their moral conviction against a pill that has nothing to do with abortions? Are they against gummie bear vitamins too? Are Christians and Catholics the same in not covering anything to do with birth control like the pill? I thought it was only the Catholics. I admit I don't know much about religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Whether or not this is true, there are thousands of people who believe that it is. Should they be forced to pay for something that they believe is wrong from the very fiber of their being? If the morning after pill is abortion or not is not really relevant. If the Government has the right to tell a private company they must go against their moral convictions it.
    They aren't paying for it. Part of what they pay me is my insurance coverage. It's mine as compensation for working there, just like my pay check or my 401K.
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    My employer should not have a say in what they feel is best for me. They do not run my life. I have insurance as part of my total compensation. Like Alissa, what my company pays to our family health premium is included as what I get paid. Telling me that they don't want me using a certain legal medication is beyond what they should be doing as an employer.

    When you pay a premium, you pay for the entire package whether it is used or not. I have never used my behavioral health benefits on my plan but I still get them.

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    But I'm not sure why one person so far removed can claim it's against their religious beliefs.

    Let's say the boss is a Jehovah's Witness. Many medical procedures would go against their religious beliefs. Would it be okay for the company to say, "We won't offer coverage for any procedures that go against our religious beliefs"? So you have an employee who needs a transfusion but can't get it covered by insurance because it's against the employer's religion, but not their own.

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    And Lillie~perhaps you might what to take a step back and watch to how you refer to people. Not all those on the streets are bums. Many are mentally ill. I have a family member who preferred to stay on the street and not in his own home. During a time when there wasn't the amount of help as there is today (although limited). Please remember, that we all have family members who don't live the typical life and some compassion towards others is necessary. Referring to people in derogatory terms is just not right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    And Lillie~perhaps you might what to take a step back and watch to how you refer to people. Not all those on the streets are bums. Many are mentally ill. I have a family member who preferred to stay on the street and not in his own home. During a time when there wasn't the amount of help as there is today (although limited). Please remember, that we all have family members who don't live the typical life and some compassion towards others is necessary. Referring to people in derogatory terms is just not right.
    I was talking about bums, if your family member doesn't fit that bill then I wasn't referring to him. I'm offended by your statement. I have lots of compassion.

    The Jehovah's Witness thing? Yes, if you apply to work for a company that outlines their beliefs, lets you know up front what they are willing to do and not do, and you choose that "compensation package" over another one, then you can purchase your own insurance that will perform the procedures they won't cover because they don't want to be held responsible to a higher power for their actions.


    Does the employer not get any say in what they are paying you? If we follow your logic, then the federal government should be able to set the rates for each position in the same way they set the rates for their own employees. Hobby Lobby is saying that abortion isn't included in their compensation package because it's against their religion. They are responsible to their God before they are responsible to our Government. That is what the founding fathers wanted to ensure would never become an issue. That's why we have that amendment. So that people aren't forced to do things against their religion. Providing abortions is very much against mine whether directly or indirectly. Just like providing cigarettes to dehydrated bums is something I'm morally opposed to. Giving a paycheck is totally separate. The Federal government can take away ANY of my other benefits with a few laws from Congress. They will ALWAYS have to give me a paycheck. Any company can take away benefits, they HAVE to pay their employees.

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    The government sets a minimum that employers can pay in a pay check (minimum wage) and now they are setting a minimum level of insurance coverage that employers can pay. It's still none of my employer's business whether I use my paycheck to buy booze or use my insurance to obtain a legal medication that they personally disagree with. They don't have to agree with me, they don't have to take it themselves, but it's not their business to tell me I can't have it either. Why are their religious beliefs more important than mine when we're talking about what I do with MY compensation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    The government sets a minimum that employers can pay in a pay check (minimum wage) and now they are setting a minimum level of insurance coverage that employers can pay. It's still none of my employer's business whether I use my paycheck to buy booze or use my insurance to obtain a legal medication that they personally disagree with. They don't have to agree with me, they don't have to take it themselves, but it's not their business to tell me I can't have it either. Why are their religious beliefs more important than mine when we're talking about what I do with MY compensation?
    Because you can use your paycheck to buy the legal medication. They can't use your belief to get into Heaven. Their payment to the insurance company would be just as harmful to their psyche as it would be for a Muslim to have to buy a ham sandwich for their employee. We make an exception for religious beliefs.

    When you purchase an insurance plan you choose what options to provide for your employees (or used to before this VAST overstep into an illegal and immoral and stupid area) and they either choose to accept it or not. Your choices are based on what you think is valuable and what you think your employees will think is valuable. When you decide that the employees value is more important than the employers religion, you've gone way past the gray area into a zone I'm really surprised anyone would argue about.

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    They should absolutely not have to provide these pills to employees. They are not refusing to provide contraception, they are refusing to pay for the morning after pill and week after pill. Hobby Lobby self-insures. They are providing their own insurance. Telling them that they have to pay for these pills is the same as telling them that they have to give someone a knife to murder a baby with. They have already stated that they will close their doors before they pay for these pills. They are not telling any employee that they cannot take these pills, they are just saying that if they want these pills then they can get them on their own.

    And it is not like saying someone can't use their paycheck to buy booze, it is like saying that the employer has to buy the booze for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wlillie View Post
    I was talking about bums, if your family member doesn't fit that bill then I wasn't referring to him. I'm offended by your statement. I have lots of compassion.

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    To me the term bum is offensive in itself. Every person who does fit that bill is also a human being with a reason for the place they have landed in their life. It is compassionate to remember that.
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