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    Hobby Lobby doesn't know that any of their employees are actually buying these medications. Hobby Lobby does not need to know what any of their employees are buying legally. It's not even close to walking down to the corner to buy coke. If they offer prescription drugs they need to cover prescription drugs or else they are making moral choices for their employees and that is not what an employer should do. I sure as heck don't want my employer to tell me I better go to Mass on Sunday.

    my employer doesn't know what surgical procedures I am getting or not getting. My CEO doesn't come up to me and say "Jess, we're going to pay for Joe's endoscopy but I really hate and despise mammograms so sorry". It can't and shouldn't happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    Yup, and the market would decide. If they could get people to work for it great, if not they would go under or raise the pay. Trouble is min wage causes multiple things to happen, the least of these is the devaluing of the dollar and the increase in common goods like milk and bread. The Company still has to make money so if they have to pay people more they have to charge more, so the products cost the lower income earner more and more, and raising min wage makes little sense.
    Or people would have to accept crap jobs at almost nothing and they and their families would starve. There will always be someone in the position of having to take the bottom the barrel jobs because there is nothing else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    So if an employee uses their paycheck to buy crack is their employer providing them with crack? Forcing Hobby Lobby to pay for these pills is just like if they made them pay a drug dealer directly to fund an employee's drug habit.
    By the logic I am seeing here, yes. Either an employer is paying for these things with the compensation package or not. It isn't paying with one part and not with the other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    Hobby Lobby doesn't know that any of their employees are actually buying these medications. Hobby Lobby does not need to know what any of their employees are buying legally. It's not even close to walking down to the corner to buy coke. If they offer prescription drugs they need to cover prescription drugs or else they are making moral choices for their employees and that is not what an employer should do. I sure as heck don't want my employer to tell me I better go to Mass on Sunday.

    my employer doesn't know what surgical procedures I am getting or not getting. My CEO doesn't come up to me and say "Jess, we're going to pay for Joe's endoscopy but I really hate and despise mammograms so sorry". It can't and shouldn't happen.
    How could they not know? They self-insure so they are paying for these things directly.
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    People keep saying that the employers do not have a right to dictate what a woman does with her body, I would agree with that. But I do think employers should have a right to say what they will pay for, especially if the company is a self insurer like Hobby Lobby. If people want the morning after pill, they can pay for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    How could they not know? They self-insure so they are paying for these things directly.
    HIPAA laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    How could they not know? They self-insure so they are paying for these things directly.
    That's not what self-insure means. The company still does not and should not know who is getting what.

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    When a company self-insures it means that they are paying the amount of money that goes to providers directly as well as paying an insurance company administration costs to process claims, have access to member services etc. They will see total amounts going out but they will not see that Joe Smith bought 30pills of Lipitor.

    They are basically paying for services as rendered instead of being fully insured where they pay the set premium whether or not that is used on the claims coming in or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mom3girls View Post
    People keep saying that the employers do not have a right to dictate what a woman does with her body, I would agree with that. But I do think employers should have a right to say what they will pay for, especially if the company is a self insurer like Hobby Lobby. If people want the morning after pill, they can pay for it.
    What if my company didn't want to pay for diabetes medicine because people should know better than to be overweight? Or for sickle cell medicine.....just because I don't really like AA people? Or maybe I don't feel like covering lung cancer treatment because I hate smokers. That okay? Because I don't really believe in those things, say. Say my religion was against gluttony, smoking, or AA people. (I know one of the three is a protected class, just go with me )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    That's not what self-insure means. The company still does not and should not know who is getting what.
    That is exactly what it means.

    If you are in a self-insured plan, your employer pays for all your care directly instead of paying an insurance company to handle it. If the cost of care ends up higher than your employer predicted, your employer must cover the cost.
    http://www.fairhealthconsumer.org/re...s/insured.aspx
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