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    Hobby Lobby Wins Contraceptive Ruling in Supreme Court - ABC News

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    Debate: Good or bad decision? What will this mean for insurance going forward and other fall outs?"

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    I am very excited about this decision. I feel strongly that owning a company should not strip you of your religious rights. I do think this will have wide and far reaching repercussions. As for the insurance issue, I do not believe employers should be the ones providing insurance. Insurance should be separate from work, where you can buy whatever plan you want without having to go through your employer forcing them to provide you with something they may object to. Also preventing someone like me who is a SAHM or someone who is unemployed from being able to buy the same coverage as someone with a job.

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    I think when you become a corporation then you don't have the right to inflict your religious beliefs on your employees. So I think the decision is wrong. I think it opens the door to all kinds of other issues, like having health coverage that doesn't cover blood transfusions, or use of animal products, or other specifics that are particular to someone's beliefs.

    At the very least, I would hope they are VERY up front about this when hiring new employees. But I think it's a bad decision.
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    I think it is a very good decision. Forcing corporations to provide mandated healthcare coverage is what is putting them in this predicament. If they don't want to provide health coverage that covers blood transfusions or whatever else is against their religious beliefs they shouldn't have to. They are not forcing their beliefs on their employees by not providing something for free. Their employees are free to use whatever contraceptives they want to purchase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    I think when you become a corporation then you don't have the right to inflict your religious beliefs on your employees. So I think the decision is wrong. I think it opens the door to all kinds of other issues, like having health coverage that doesn't cover blood transfusions, or use of animal products, or other specifics that are particular to someone's beliefs.

    At the very least, I would hope they are VERY up front about this when hiring new employees. But I think it's a bad decision.
    Would you like there to be a law that said if you were a corporation that you had to buy each of your employees a bible? Owning a company should not make you have to pay for something that you believe is morally wrong. Again, if insurance was separate from employment none of this would be an issue.

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    So...what if their religion tells them that paying taxes is wrong? What if their religion tells them that women getting paid the same as men is wrong? If my religion prohibits eating pork and my employee gets sick from eating pork, can I stop insurance from covering his/her medical bills? Religious freedom, baby!

    And what happens when their employees can't afford birth control? I only hope they offer great maternity leave and family support for employees with kids.
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    Very bad decision. As I've stated multiple times, when you choose to incorporate, you are legally removing *you* from the company, you can't be personally sued for debts the company incurs, you have no personal obligations to the company, you are sheltered from the tax obligations of the company, and in exchange for those legal protections you lose your right to exercise your personal points of view in some ways. Allowing these companies to claim that the companies have a religious right is absolutely wrong. Corporations can not have religious beliefs. At the least it does seem that the court limited this ruling to only a few very closely-held companies, but it's still a very bad decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    So...what if their religion tells them that paying taxes is wrong? What if their religion tells them that women getting paid the same as men is wrong? If my religion prohibits eating pork and my employee gets sick from eating pork, can I stop insurance from covering his/her medical bills? Religious freedom, baby!

    And what happens when their employees can't afford birth control? I only hope they offer great maternity leave and family support for employees with kids.
    It would be very easy to solve this problem. Don't force corporations to provide healthcare. The government should not be deciding what healthcare a business has to provide. If the corporation is going to provide healthcare they should be able to decide what coverage they want to provide. The same as if a person wants healthcare they should not be forced to buy coverage that covers contraception or whatever other medical choices they want to make. The government mandating what coverage you have to have is not freedom of any kind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    It would be very easy to solve this problem. Don't force corporations to provide healthcare. The government should not be deciding what healthcare a business has to provide. If the corporation is going to provide healthcare they should be able to decide what coverage they want to provide. The same as if a person wants healthcare they should not be forced to buy coverage that covers contraception or whatever other medical choices they want to make. The government mandating what coverage you have to have is not freedom of any kind.
    Another easy solution: if you want to keep such personal control of your business, then don't incorporate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    Another easy solution: if you want to keep such personal control of your business, then don't incorporate.
    You shouldn't have to give up your religious rights to incorporate.
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