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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post

    But I agree with you that the people who support Hobby Lobby aren't really that concerned about the birth control issue, and are just angry about mandated health care and so they'll take what they can.
    This is not true. Many people who believe Plan B is wrong happen to also be the same people who are not generally in support of ACA. For example, I am strongly against Plan B and I am also against ACA. It is possible to be against both things. Just like I am sure there are many Democrats who are both pro choice and pro ACA. Of many people I have talked to however, when speaking of Obamacare (Most do not call it the Affordable Care Act), the Birth Control issue is one of the things that makes them most angry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    This is not true. Many people who believe Plan B is wrong happen to also be the same people who are not generally in support of ACA. For example, I am strongly against Plan B and I am also against ACA. It is possible to be against both things. Just like I am sure there are many Democrats who are both pro choice and pro ACA. Of many people I have talked to however, when speaking of Obamacare (Most do not call it the Affordable Care Act), the Birth Control issue is one of the things that makes them most angry.
    I didn't say it's not possible, but I think it is being used as an opportunity to address the larger issue.

    While I am not sure where I stand on ACA (although I think it's a huge improvement over having people who are uninsured), I am pro-choice and pro-insurance-covered-birth-control options. I am for fewer unwanted and neglected children and fewer abortions.

    Anyway my issue with this decision is that it sets a danger precedent and opens up the doors to all kinds of employers imposing their religious beliefs on their employees, whatever those beliefs may be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    I didn't say it's not possible, but I think it is being used as an opportunity to address the larger issue.

    While I am not sure where I stand on ACA (although I think it's a huge improvement over having people who are uninsured), I am pro-choice and pro-insurance-covered-birth-control options. I am for fewer unwanted and neglected children and fewer abortions.

    Anyway my issue with this decision is that it sets a danger precedent and opens up the doors to all kinds of employers imposing their religious beliefs on their employees, whatever those beliefs may be.
    While I do not like or support ACA, I tolerate it and do not think it is the end of the world. It is not something that I would care enough about to write or call my congressman to protest it. The issue of abortions or Plan B being forced to be covered is something that would bother me enough to call and protest. I think you are missing how strong of an issue that this is to a lot of people. While yes, it is a part of the whole, it is a deeply controversial issue all by itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    While I do not like or support ACA, I tolerate it and do not think it is the end of the world. It is not something that I would care enough about to write or call my congressman to protest it. The issue of abortions or Plan B being forced to be covered is something that would bother me enough to call and protest. I think you are missing how strong of an issue that this is to a lot of people. While yes, it is a part of the whole, it is a deeply controversial issue all by itself.
    So you have called and protested this in the past?

    Anyway, I was actually AGREEING with you about this:
    Most people that I know that are on the side of the Hobby Lobby do not believe that the Government should be able to force employers to provide anything other than a fair wage. A benefit is supposed to be just that, a benefit not a requirement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    So you have called and protested this in the past?
    Not specifically about Plan B, but I have called my congressman and State Representatives over abortion.

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    I do not think that any employer should be forced to offer medical benefits period.. I think it is great if they offer any.. some or all it should be up to them... just like vacation pay.
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