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    No. The reason those plans are being scrapped is because they aren't good enough to qualify under ACA in the first place. Why keep them around for another year? That's just ridiculous.
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    The cancelling of the plans is going to through a lot of people off. The healthcare website is not going to allow people to buy new plans through the exchanges until at least the end of November. That is if there are no more problems and no glitches at all. Millions of people will be out insurance as of December 31st. What happens to those people if they can not get processed by January 1st? I have no confidence that they will be able to get all those people signed up completely and ready to go by that date. So in the mean time they have no insurance at all? The gap between when these people's currant plans expire and March when they plan to be completely ready for everyone to have the new plans is not acceptable. Whatever plan they put in place, they need to garentee that the people who's insurance is being dropped will not have a break in coverage due to Obamacare.

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    I would prefer to see the resources put into making the system work so that everyone can & will be enrolled and ready to go on January 1st, than to see resources wasted making an attempt for these no-good plans to stick around another year, and the other side is going to waste resources arguing against it.

    If it comes down to the wire, then Obama can (and I believe *would*) use executive privilege to sign something saying, "Anyone with a plan that expires on December 31st and who made a reasonable effort to enroll in a new plan, but whose new plan is not yet effective because our system was full of glitches, their old plans are hereby ordered to stay in effect until February 1st." Problem solved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    The cancelling of the plans is going to through a lot of people off. The healthcare website is not going to allow people to buy new plans through the exchanges until at least the end of November. That is if there are no more problems and no glitches at all. Millions of people will be out insurance as of December 31st. What happens to those people if they can not get processed by January 1st? I have no confidence that they will be able to get all those people signed up completely and ready to go by that date. So in the mean time they have no insurance at all? The gap between when these people's currant plans expire and March when they plan to be completely ready for everyone to have the new plans is not acceptable. Whatever plan they put in place, they need to garentee that the people who's insurance is being dropped will not have a break in coverage due to Obamacare.
    Is this debate about this question, or your first question. Because i don't see the two as related.

    The first question is asking if we want to pass a bill that will allow people to keep plans that do not meet the basic requirements set in place for health insurance by the ACA

    The second question is about what to do while they fix this mess of a website.

    If you are proposing allowing the first, to fix the second....that sounds like an attempt to undermine the way the ACA works and saying its strictly to address the website problem. Why would we need to let people keep bad plans forever just to fix a temporary issue.

    Or maybe its not meant to be forever? I could not find any info in the articles i searched about these bills...if its meant to be temporary, or permanent? Is this a "keep until the website works?" or is it "ignore the basic health insurance requirements built into the ACA forever"

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    Is this debate about this question, or your first question. Because i don't see the two as related.

    The first question is asking if we want to pass a bill that will allow people to keep plans that do not meet the basic requirements set in place for health insurance by the ACA

    The second question is about what to do while they fix this mess of a website.

    If you are proposing allowing the first, to fix the second....that sounds like an attempt to undermine the way the ACA works and saying its strictly to address the website problem. Why would we need to let people keep bad plans forever just to fix a temporary issue.

    Or maybe its not meant to be forever? I could not find any info in the articles i searched about these bills...if its meant to be temporary, or permanent? Is this a "keep until the website works?" or is it "ignore the basic health insurance requirements built into the ACA forever"
    Everything I have read about this bill is that it is only until 2014.

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    From the business end, let's use a hypothetical situation. If everyone logged on on 11/30 and were able to sign up for a plan that gives each company 30 days to do the enrollment process in order to have a 1/1 start date. Our turnaround time is 10-14 days.

    Now, even if we were behind with the actual input admin of updating the coverage....the member still *has* coverage as of 1/1. We will still put it in as promised even if we updated it on 1/15. Does that make sense?

    It's not like we'll say..hey sorry you signed up on 11/30 but we're so busy we didn't get to you until 1/15 so you're s*it out of luck on that 15 days of coverage. Doesn't work that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    No. The reason those plans are being scrapped is because they aren't good enough to qualify under ACA in the first place. Why keep them around for another year? That's just ridiculous.
    Not all of the plans being cut are bad plans. Not all of the people who are being cut have better options available to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Everything I have read about this bill is that it is only until 2014.
    The article that you posted i see at the end says "would remian in effect throughout 2014"

    No i would not agree with such a bill. We don't need people keeping theses inadequate plans for a whole year because of the enrollment issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    From the business end, let's use a hypothetical situation. If everyone logged on on 11/30 and were able to sign up for a plan that gives each company 30 days to do the enrollment process in order to have a 1/1 start date. Our turnaround time is 10-14 days.

    Now, even if we were behind with the actual input admin of updating the coverage....the member still *has* coverage as of 1/1. We will still put it in as promised even if we updated it on 1/15. Does that make sense?

    It's not like we'll say..hey sorry you signed up on 11/30 but we're so busy we didn't get to you until 1/15 so you're s*it out of luck on that 15 days of coverage. Doesn't work that way.
    Exactly! Each of my kids was covered by my insurance from the moment of their birth, even though it took two months to get each of them added to my plan. Good thing, too, because I could never afford Tiven's $75K or so intensive care nursery stay if it wasn't covered by insurance.

    This proposed bill is just postponing the inevitable, which is never a good thing, especially when doing so wastes taxpayer money.
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