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    IRS IG Report: Targeting Conservatives Began In 2010 - ABC News

    The targeting of conservatives by the IRS started earlier and was more extensive than the IRS acknowledged last week, according to a draft IRS inspector general report obtained by ABC News.
    As we reported on ?Good Morning America? this morning, the IRS began targeting ?Tea Party or similar organizations? in March 2010. That was when the Cincinnati-based IRS unit responsible for overseeing the applications for tax exempt status starting using the phrases ?Tea Party,? ?patriots? and ?9/12″ to search for applications warranting greater scrutiny.
    During this first phase, 10 Tea Party cases were identified. By April of 2010, 18 Tea Party organizations were targeted, including three that had already been approved for tax-exempt status.
    By June 2011, the unit had flagged over 100 Tea Party-related applications and the criteria used to scrutinize organizations had grown considerably, flagging not just ?Tea Party? or ?Patriot? in group names, but also groups that were working on issues like ?government debt,? ?taxes? and even organizations making statements that ?criticize how the country is being run.?
    The report, done by the Inspector General for the IRS, also shows that senior IRS officials in Washington was aware of what was going on as early as August 4, 2011 when, according to the report, the IRS chief counsel held a meeting with the IRS?s Rulings and Agreements unit ?so that everyone would have the latest information on the issue.?

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    They should absolutely hold whoever is responsible accountable. I just believe this is evidence of deep corruption that has overtaken our government
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    Heads should definitely roll, starting with these 2 who not only lied about it in 2011 but let it continue to happen into 2012.

    The internal IG timeline shows a unit in the agency was looking at Tea Party and "patriot" groups dating back to early 2010. But it shows that list of criteria drastically expanding by the time a June 2011 briefing was held. It then included groups focused on government spending, government debt, taxes, and education on ways to "make America a better place to live." It even flagged groups whose file included criticism of "how the country is being run."

    By early 2012, the criteria were updated to include organizations involved in "limiting/expanding government," education on the Constitution and Bill of Rights, and social economic reform.

    Taken together, the findings of the IG and the initial admissions by the IRS Friday are fueling complaints from Republicans on Capitol Hill.

    Evidence that the IRS was flagging such groups in 2011 was included in a draft inspector general's report obtained Saturday by Fox News and other news organizations and expected to be released in full later this week.

    That information seemingly contradicts public statements by IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman, who told congressional investigators in March 2011 that specific groups were not being targeted.

    The IRS said Friday that it was sorry for what it called the "inappropriate" targeting of the conservative groups during the 2012 elections.

    Lois G. Lerner, who heads the IRS division that oversees tax-exempt organizations, said the practice was initiated by low-level workers in Cincinnati and was not motivated by political bias.

    But on June 29, 2011, Lerner found out that such groups were being targeted, according to the inspector general's report.

    She was told at a meeting that groups with "Tea Party," "Patriot" or "9/12 Project" in their names were being flagged for additional and often burdensome scrutiny, the report states.

    Read more: IRS scrutiny went beyond Tea Party, targeting of conservative groups broader than thought | Fox News
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    So the DOJ is going to investigate the IRS while they are under investigation for wiretapping phone records of AP reporters. Yes the corruption just gets deeper every day.

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    I'm sorry but I don't understand the question. What's the problem with the IRS scrutinizing a bunch of brand-new organizations claiming non-profit status? Isn't that what they are supposed to do, to make sure that organizations claiming tax-exempt status are actually not for profit and doing charitable work.? They also scrutinize existing non-profit organizations on a regular basis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    I'm sorry but I don't understand the question. What's the problem with the IRS scrutinizing a bunch of brand-new organizations claiming non-profit status? Isn't that what they are supposed to do, to make sure that organizations claiming tax-exempt status are actually not for profit and doing charitable work.? They also scrutinize existing non-profit organizations on a regular basis.
    Yeah, this is more my feeling. I get that people are freaking out, but all I keep coming back to in my heart when I try to summon up the appropriate outrage is "Oh, the IRS has lazy employees who picked the low lying fruit?" SHOCKER. I mean, yeah, at the end of the day if these organizations weren't doing anything wrong there would be no problem. It sortov reminds me of the "papers" debate with immigrants. Like, the ones where conservatives defend everyone brown being asked to see their papers/ID simply because of their color, then say that its okay, because the legals have nothing to worry about if they are legal. Same idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    I'm sorry but I don't understand the question. What's the problem with the IRS scrutinizing a bunch of brand-new organizations claiming non-profit status? Isn't that what they are supposed to do, to make sure that organizations claiming tax-exempt status are actually not for profit and doing charitable work.? They also scrutinize existing non-profit organizations on a regular basis.
    But they didn't investigate ALL brand new organizations. Only ones that had tea party or patriot in their name. That is ok with you that they singled out ONLY organizations with certain names for extra checks? And it is a huge expense to have to hire lawyers to get all the extra paperwork they were asking for, they went as far as to ask for lists of donors and volunteers and information from Facebook pages.


    Revealed: The 55 questions the IRS asked one tea party group after more than two years of waiting - including demands for names of all its donors and volunteers | Mail Online

    This is the list of requirements sent to the Richmond Tea Party. The list of things they requested was ridiculous.
    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/...S%20letter.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    But they didn't investigate ALL brand new organizations. Only ones that had tea party or patriot in their name. That is ok with you that they singled out ONLY organizations with certain names for extra checks? And it is a huge expense to have to hire lawyers to get all the extra paperwork they were asking for, they went as far as to ask for lists of donors and volunteers and information from Facebook pages.


    Revealed: The 55 questions the IRS asked one tea party group after more than two years of waiting - including demands for names of all its donors and volunteers | Mail Online

    This is the list of requirements sent to the Richmond Tea Party. The list of things they requested was ridiculous.
    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/...IRS letter.pdf
    To the bolded, how do you know that? Do you work for IRS? I find it very hard to believe that IRS just slacked off on all their other responsibilities to go after "tea party" organizations.

    And as someone who has worked in the non-profit world and assisted clients with IRS compliance reporting, I find nothing on that list to be out of the ordinary for those types of organizations. The IRS needs to ensure that they are more than simply fundraisers for a candidate or a lobbying arm of a sponsor of legislation. It's called due diligence and that's the IRS's job. Good for them for doing it even if it ticks off a few tea partyists. The ones that are legitimate were granted status. Again, what's the big deal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    To the bolded, how do you know that? Do you work for IRS? I find it very hard to believe that IRS just slacked off on all their other responsibilities to go after "tea party" organizations.

    And as someone who has worked in the non-profit world and assisted clients with IRS compliance reporting, I find nothing on that list to be out of the ordinary for those types of organizations. The IRS needs to ensure that they are more than simply fundraisers for a candidate or a lobbying arm of a sponsor of legislation. It's called due diligence and that's the IRS's job. Good for them for doing it even if it ticks off a few tea partyists. The ones that are legitimate were granted status. Again, what's the big deal?
    THEY HAVE ADMITTED IT! Would you think it was no big deal if every organization that had gay or LGBT in its name was singled out and their application put on hold for 2 years while they asked for all kinds of additional information?

    IRS officials, according to the report, did not consult anyone beyond the agency about the development of the additional screening criteria. They believed that the criteria they came up with was a screening shortcut meant to help with the influx of applications, the report said.

    The agency's top watchdog found that the criteria used to flag potential political applications resulted in substantial delays and the request of unnecessary information from the groups.

    Among the criteria used by IRS officials to flag applications was a "Be On the Look Out" list, or a BOLO, which was discontinued in 2012, according to the report. The criteria on the BOLO included:

    -- Whether "Tea Party," "Patriots" or "9/12 Project" was referenced in the case file.

    -- Whether the issues outlined in the application included government spending, government debt or taxes.

    -- Whether there was advocating or lobbying to "make America a better place to live."

    -- Whether a statement in the case file criticized how the country is being run.

    -- Whether it advocated education about the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

    The investigation by the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration was initiated after congressional complaints began to surface in the media in 2012 that the IRS was targeting conservative groups and holding up applications.

    "Whether the inappropriate criterion was shorthand for all potential political cases or not, developing and using criteria that focuses on organization names and policy positions instead of the activities permitted under the Treasury regulations does not promote public confidence that tax-exempt laws are being adhered to impartially," the report said.

    The IRS welcomed the Treasury inspector general's report, saying that it agreed that aspects of its original approach in handling the influx of tax-exempt applications was inappropriate.

    "The IRS is required by law to determine if organizations are engaging in a legally permissible level of political activity. Centralizing these cases was necessary to achieve consistent treatment," it said in a statement.
    Report finds IRS targeted conservative groups, delayed applications - CNN.com
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    They had a huge influx of "tea party" organizations in a short period of time, I've heard it was roughly ten times the number of applications they get of that nature in that time frame. Did they make some poor decisions in how to prioritize the work? Perhaps. That does not mean that it was an organized effort to purposely delay the applications, or that they asked more of those organizations than they would of another similar organization. The BOLO list was not put into place for the tea party, it was in place long before then, so the fact that "tea party" was added to it doesn't bother me a bit. It was a tool to help prioritize applications by flagging those that might need more scrutiny.
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