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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    They had a huge influx of "tea party" organizations in a short period of time, I've heard it was roughly ten times the number of applications they get of that nature in that time frame. Did they make some poor decisions in how to prioritize the work? Perhaps. That does not mean that it was an organized effort to purposely delay the applications, or that they asked more of those organizations than they would of another similar organization. The BOLO list was not put into place for the tea party, it was in place long before then, so the fact that "tea party" was added to it doesn't bother me a bit. It was a tool to help prioritize applications by flagging those that might need more scrutiny.
    Well I guess it is strange that you have no problem with it since almost every other official including Democrats AND President Obama, admit it was a problem and that it shouldn't have happened. And I think if they had targeted LGBT applications instead you would have a huge problem with it.

    Attorney General Eric Holder said he's ordered the Justice Department to investigate the agency.

    Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid said what the agency did is "inexcusable," though he said the agency has also inappropriately targeted left-leaning groups in the past.

    Issa and Jordan wrote their letter after receiving a briefing from IRS staff.

    They claimed that the additional scrutiny from the IRS effectively placed Tea Party and other groups "in a state of purgatory where they often languished without action for periods as long as two years."
    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...#ixzz2TO7tWpz1
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    If the problem occurred because of the increase in applications, why weren't these labor organizations singled out?

    A highly anticipated watchdog report, released late Tuesday by the inspector general's office, depicted an even bigger spike in applications for tax-exempt status from a type of group that includes labor organizations. Yet, according to the report, the conservative groups were the ones singled out for special treatment.

    This special treatment included the agency creating a unique "be on the lookout" list. The list covered "political-sounding" names like Tea Party, Patriots, and 9/12. The criteria, labeled by the report as "inappropriate," later expanded to include groups focused on government spending, government debt, taxes and other areas.

    The IRS has explained that low-level staffers at an Ohio office were effectively scrambling to deal with an influx in applications from these groups, for tax-exempt status known in the IRS code as 501(c)(3) and 501(c)(4).

    But around the same time, there was another influx of cases under a classification known as 501(c)(5). This is the tax-exempt status that applies to labor organizations, as well as agricultural and horticultural groups.

    While the number of applications from these groups was not as high as the number from the other two categories, the increase in applications in both 2011 and 2012 was far more pronounced. The number increased by 41 percent in 2011, and then by a whopping 164 percent in 2012.

    By comparison, the number of 501(c)(4) cases rose 30 percent, and then 48 percent in that time period. The IG report said the numbers could not be independently verified.
    Read more: Double standard? IRS targeted conservatives, despite spike in applications from labor groups | Fox News
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    You're comparing apples to oranges. 501(c)5 is a different classification and has different requirements than 501(c)3. Show me where a different bunch of 300+ organizations seeking 501(c)3 status during a similar compressed time period were all processed quickly and without scrutiny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    You're comparing apples to oranges. 501(c)5 is a different classification and has different requirements than 501(c)3. Show me where a different bunch of 300+ organizations seeking 501(c)3 status during a similar compressed time period were all processed quickly and without scrutiny.
    All the other applications that didn't have Tea Party in their name. But nah progressive groups didn't get special treatment.

    But other news reports underscored the difference in the agency's treatment of various politically tinged groups. USA Today reported that during the two-year period when Tea Party applications were being held up, the IRS approved roughly a dozen applications from liberal and progressive groups.

    The groups included those with words like "progress" or "progressive" in their names, and reportedly were engaged in the same types of activities as those organizations whose applications were held up.

    The Daily Caller also reported that Lerner in 2011 approved an application for the charity run by Obama's half brother -- the Barack H. Obama Foundation.

    While some Tea Party applications sat at the IRS office for years, the charity's application was approved within a month.
    Read more: Double standard? IRS targeted conservatives, despite spike in applications from labor groups | Fox News
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    That doesn't answer Stacey's question. Was this group also a 5013c?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    That doesn't answer Stacey's question. Was this group also a 5013c?
    I would guess so since the article says they were in the same category.
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    I guess the IRS Commissioner just resigned for no reason since this wasn't a problem.

    President Barack Obama vowed Wednesday to hold accountable those at the Internal Revenue Service involved in the targeting of conservative groups applying for federal tax-exempt status, beginning with the resignation of the agency's acting commissioner.

    In a brief statement delivered to reporters at the East Room of the White House, the president announced that Treasury Secretary Jack Lew requested -- and accepted -- the resignation of acting IRS Commissioner Steve Miller.

    The president said the "misconduct" detailed in the IRS Inspector General's report released Tuesday over the singling out of conservative groups is "inexcusable."

    "Americans have a right to be angry about, and I'm angry about it," Obama said.

    The president said new safeguards will be put in place so that "this doesn't happen again."
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    He's a scapegoat because Americans want fast blood. I've been too busy today to read anything beyond summaries but I'm still not convinced there is evidence of anything more than some supervisors slacking and some analysts trying to do the obviously overwhelming job of processing 300+ applications that came in in a matter of weeks with little guidance beyond a BOLO list. That's not a good way to run an agency but it's not collusion and it's not actively thwarting the tea party movement. I'm withholding judgement until we get more facts about how many other 501(c)3 applications these reviewers *did* process and how many other applications were flagged for review, and whether other 501(c)3 applications were processed in a timely manner and if those groups were asked the same kinds of questions. We don't have that information yet, as far as I've seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    I would guess so since the article says they were in the same category.
    I just read it as same activities not same classifications. My company and United Healthcare are doing similar activities but we are classified differently for tax purposes.
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    Sounds to me like the IRS is really starting to put their own political spin on all the applications they get.

    The Internal Revenue Service allegedly told an Iowa pro-life group they had to sign documents promising not to protest or picket Planned Parenthood and they told a Texas pro-life organization they had to promote abortion, according to documents obtained by Fox News.

    “The IRS was concerned about advocacy,” said Sally Wagenmaker, special counsel to the Thomas More Society. “The (agent) said picketing and protesting is not allowed.”

    She said the IRS’s role “should only be to determine whether organizations fit the section 501(c)(3) test for ‘charitable, religious, or educational’ qualification, not to inquire about the content of prayers, protests, and petitions.”

    It’s high time that the IRS be called to account for its workers’ potential to trample on our constitutional rights, through such ostensibly innocuous means,” Wagenmaker said – hinting that this may only be the tip of the iceberg of IRS abuses.

    An IRS spokesman said they would look into the cases.

    Wagenmaker was representing Coalition for Life of Iowa and Christian Voices For Life of Fort Bend County, Texas. Both groups were seeking tax exempt status. Their requests were eventually granted but only after they sought legal help from the Thomas More Society.

    In 2009 the Coalition for Life received correspondence from the IRS raising questions about their prayer activity – specifically outside Planned Parenthood clinics.

    “You then asked … to have all Coalition Board members sign a statement that the coalition will not ‘picket’ or ‘protest’ outside of Planned Parenthood or similar organizations and will not ‘organize’ others to do so,” Wagenmaker wrote in a letter to an IRS representative known only as “Ms. Richards.”

    Wagenmaker said the IRS’s demand was clearly a violation of the pro-life group’s constitutional rights.

    “It really concerned me there would seem to be this protection of Planned Parenthood,” Wagenmaker told Fox News. “They had revenues of $55 million and the Coalition is just a group of volunteers.”

    The attorney wrote in her letter to the IRS that their demands “come perilously close to violating the First Amendment constitutional rights of the Coalition’s supporters.”

    “The IRS’s delay and questioning of the Coalition’s tax-exempt, legitimate activities constitutes unnecessary and prejudicial interference with the Coalition’s legal right to a tax-exempt determination,” she wrote.

    Wagenmaker said the IRS’s dogged pursuit of the Coalition was “intimidating” and “heavy-handed.”

    In the case of Christian Voices, the IRS implied that the group had to include pro-abortion balance to their programming.

    They were directed to explain whether the group’s educational programs educate both sides of the issues.

    “Your question implies some sort of legal duty to provide a balanced presentation of educational information,” the attorney wrote.

    She said it was incredible to think that the government wanted to require a pro-life group to give equal access to pro-choice groups.

    “You can’t push an organization around like that,” she said. “You can’t impose your own out-dated, improper, unconstitutional views.”

    Shortly after Wagenmaker began pushing back – the groups got their exemptions approved.

    “They just needed someone to stand up for their rights and push back,” she said.
    IRS Told Pro-Life Group Not to Picket Planned Parenthood | FOX News & Commentary: Todd Starnes
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