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I think the parents need to stay off the news and start grieving their daughter. I can see no good coming from transferring her to another facility. Brain dead is dead, she is not in a coma and will never wake up. My sympathy for the parents is lessening as they make things a media circus.

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I feel bad for everyone involved in the situation. I can not imagine how they must feel (Both the parents and the doctors). Legally, I do think the family should be allowed to bring in an outside doctor to give a second opinion.

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"AlyssaEimers" wrote:

Legally, I do think the family should be allowed to bring in an outside doctor to give a second opinion.

The family already did that, and the court also brought in a completely independent doctor to evaluate her. A total of SEVEN doctors have now declared Jahi to be brain dead. Not in a vegetative state, not in a coma, but brain dead. The hospital is absolutely right to not be putting nutrition into her because it's not going to help. I'm shocked & surprised that the court ordered the hospital to not remove her breathing tube for another week, I really thought this was going to end last week. The really sad thing is that Jahi could have helped save or improve another dozen children's lives through donation of her organs, skin, and corneas, had her family accepted the reality of her death on December 12th. Instead, they have drawn this out so that organ donation is impossible.

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#1 the hospital should have no say what is done to or with the child's body.. that should be left up to the parents.

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Well I hope her parents pick up the bill for "their" choice. I'm not paying for it.

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"Rivergallery" wrote:

#1 the hospital should have no say what is done to or with the child's body.. that should be left up to the parents.

Except that they're asking the hospital to do procedures that go against their medical ethics.

It's a terrible, tragic situation but it sounds like the family just can't accept what has happened. I don't blame them for their feelings but it seems like it is only going to make it worse for everybody, especially them, to keep this going.

How awful.

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"Rivergallery" wrote:

#1 the hospital should have no say what is done to or with the child's body.. that should be left up to the parents.

While I see where you are coming from, there does have to be limits. I do not believe it is legal for a parent to take their dead child and bury them in their front yard. That said, what a terribly heart breaking situation.

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"freddieflounder101" wrote:

Except that they're asking the hospital to do procedures that go against their medical ethics.

Just to clarify, Is your position that a hospital should never have to do procedures that go against their medical ethics? Not that I disagree, but to be sure we are on the same page.

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"AlyssaEimers" wrote:

Just to clarify, Is your position that a hospital should never have to do procedures that go against their medical ethics? Not that I disagree, but to be sure we are on the same page.

I am not a fan of absolutes. In this case I think they shouldn't have to. I wouldn't go so far as to make an unstable rule about it.

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Jahi's body was moved on Sunday night from Children's Hospital to an undisclosed location. The family & hospital worked out an agreement where a death certificate was issued stating that her date of death was December 12th, the coroner claimed her body from the hospital, and then the coroner immediately handed it over to Jahi's mom. Jahi's mom accepted all liability for anything that might happen to her daughter from that moment forward, and agreed to follow state law in moving the body. A critical care team hired by the family transfered the hospital's ventilator to a mobile unit and moved Jahi's body to an ambulance. The coroner refused to say whether it had granted approval to move the body out of state, and reporters were not allowed to follow the ambulance. Citing "threats" the family and its lawyer are not identifying the facility that accepted Jahi's body but they did say that "she's in poor shape" and is "finally being given nutrition."

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How can they justify keeping her going when there is absolutely no hope for her to be with them again? As hard as it would be to lose a child, I'd want their organs to go to people who can use them.

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I probably wouldn't make the same decision, but I don't really see how this is hurting anyone. If you think she is dead already than she is not going to be suffering any more or less by her body being kept alive. If it helps her parents deal with it then let them do what they want, it seems they are going to be the one's paying for it since no insurance is going to pay if she has been given a death certificate. If she really is dead eventually her body won't be able to handle the stress and her heart will stop anyway. So I say just let them be.

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"GloriaInTX" wrote:

I probably wouldn't make the same decision, but I don't really see how this is hurting anyone.

How can you say that for certain? She was taking up a bed in the Pediatric Critical Care Unit and taking away nurses' time from living patients. Maybe a child *was* hurt by needing to be transferred to another hospital for his critical care needs, or by having to wait for surgery for a bed to be available. Maybe a child *was* hurt because her nurse was attending to a dead body when she needed urgent care. And I think catering to this family set a horrible precedent for the courts because, rather than taking the opportunity to set a clear legal standard, they opened the door to all kinds of nutjobs who will want their own dead body to get the same treatment.

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"mommydearest" wrote:

How can they justify keeping her going when there is absolutely no hope for her to be with them again? As hard as it would be to lose a child, I'd want their organs to go to people who can use them.

The time for organ donation is long gone. Her organs are breaking down daily. The whole thing is a sad situation for anyone who has been involved with the case.

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"Spacers" wrote:

How can you say that for certain? She was taking up a bed in the Pediatric Critical Care Unit and taking away nurses' time from living patients. Maybe a child *was* hurt by needing to be transferred to another hospital for his critical care needs, or by having to wait for surgery for a bed to be available. Maybe a child *was* hurt because her nurse was attending to a dead body when she needed urgent care. And I think catering to this family set a horrible precedent for the courts because, rather than taking the opportunity to set a clear legal standard, they opened the door to all kinds of nutjobs who will want their own dead body to get the same treatment.

Her body would have been transferred sooner if they would have allowed it sooner. So if she was taking up a bed that isn't their fault. There are already nutjobs who do special things to dead bodies like cryogenic freezing them for the future and all kinds of other things. If they are going to pay for it let them do what they want.

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Not everyone does organ donation, and they should not be forced to do so.

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I don't think anyone was suggesting that.

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Very sad situation. I don't think it is doing the parents any favors to keep her body alive though - kind of keeping them from closure.

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"GloriaInTX" wrote:

Her body would have been transferred sooner if they would have allowed it sooner. So if she was taking up a bed that isn't their fault.

It absolutely is the family's fault! They're the ones who refused to accept that she's dead, they are the ones who pushed to have a breathing tube & feeding tube inserted into a dead body, and they are the ones who went to court to prevent the ventilator from being turned off. The hospital had no choice *but* to fight her transfer because it violated state law as well as medical ethics the way the family wanted to do it.

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"AlyssaEimers" wrote:

Not everyone does organ donation, and they should not be forced to do so.

I never said they should have to donate her organs. But if they were even considering that option, that's out of the question now.

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Their child.. their right to decide what is or is not done with their child's body.. if machines keep their child alive and they can afford it.. fine.. would be better if they could afford a private facility (or at home).. IF for the sake of debate the body was taking a space from another child.. not sure that assertion was proved.

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