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    Quote Originally Posted by smsturner View Post
    Eh, I don't really think it's creepy at all. In a public school they are watching you with cameras. I think that's MORE invasive. I guess it's just a matter of personal perspective?
    I think its because cameras target locations. Tracking devices target individuals. Instead of monitoring areas for problematic behavior, you are now monitoring individuals...every second of the day.

    Sure they are both invasive, but i feel tracking my every move is far more invasive than a few strategically positioned cameras. Ultimately you know way less about me with the cameras than you do with a tracking device.

    ETA: There is also something about the ease of gathering information that is bothersome. If you really wanted to know where someone was every minute of the day you could come pretty close to that with the cameras, if you had enough of them...and you had the time to piece the data all together.

    With a tracking device, you just need the persons ID and their whereabouts for the entire day are right at your fingertips.

    That ease of access is not comforting. I think it encourages use of the information when its unnecessary.
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    See, now I don't think it is creepy. If I was going to give my 7 year old over to a teacher for 7 hours a day, she had better know where my daughter is all 7 of those hours. I might feel differently about high school, but I have not really gotten there yet in my thoughts about my kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    See, now I don't think it is creepy. If I was going to give my 7 year old over to a teacher for 7 hours a day, she had better know where my daughter is all 7 of those hours. I might feel differently about high school, but I have not really gotten there yet in my thoughts about my kids.
    She should know where my daughter is...but not because she has a tracking device.

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    If it was discovered she had a 666 birthmark on her head then I'd say the parents had reason for concern. ID badge with no chip? Nope, not a mark of the beast, IMO.

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    I'm wishy-washy on this one but leaning towards the "creepy" side. I do like the ID badges so that the kids don't have to hold onto cash for lunch and can check out materials from the library, but I don't accept the safety argument for the locater chip. If there's an emergency, I want to know that my *child* has been accounted for, not that her badge has. And as for the attendance argument, I say if the kid's butt isn't in the classroom, then he shouldn't be counted as being at school. Being in the restroom or library isn't the same as being in class. The fact that administrators are saying they should be able to count kids who are on campus, just not in their classroom, as being present in class -- and get the money for educating them when those kids are NOT being educated -- absolutely infuriates me. Using the locater chip to go get the kid & drag him back to class, I'm OK with that, but I'd be willing to bet that a kid who doesn't want to be in class is probably a kid who will leave the ID card in his locker.

    ETA to answer the question: No, an ID badge, with or without a locator chip, is not a mark of the beast. Ridiculous argument.
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    I am not a fan of tracking badges. I agree it feels creepy. We should have a reasonable expectation of privacy and I feel like all of these chips and tracking systems are eroding that. The badges them selves I understand as that streamlines some services. But I do want to know that my child is in class because the teacher is looking at them, not because the badge says it is. How easy would it be to skip class by handing your badge to your friend?

    All of that said, if the chip was the problem then they should have taken the non-chip option. Otherwise if their religious needs cannot be met then there are other schooling options. I don't feel that it is the education system's job to provide our children with the individualized educations that they need. I feel it is our jobs as parents to place our children in a system that will be a good fit for them and our families. And if such a system is lacking, then to work with what we have in the way that will be best for our children. But at times that does mean conforming to a school rule or system that we do not entirely buy into.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fuchsiasky View Post
    I am not a fan of tracking badges. I agree it feels creepy. We should have a reasonable expectation of privacy and I feel like all of these chips and tracking systems are eroding that. The badges them selves I understand as that streamlines some services. But I do want to know that my child is in class because the teacher is looking at them, not because the badge says it is. How easy would it be to skip class by handing your badge to your friend?

    All of that said, if the chip was the problem then they should have taken the non-chip option. Otherwise if their religious needs cannot be met then there are other schooling options. I don't feel that it is the education system's job to provide our children with the individualized educations that they need. I feel it is our jobs as parents to place our children in a system that will be a good fit for them and our families. And if such a system is lacking, then to work with what we have in the way that will be best for our children. But at times that does mean conforming to a school rule or system that we do not entirely buy into.
    I agree with this. Can you imagine if every family had their own religious "rules" and the school was expected to accomodate all of them? I think that public schools should work with families within reason, and then if they cannot accomodate or the families cannot accept the compromise, then it becomes the family's responsibility to find a solution that works for them, be that private school or home schooling.

    I think that the compromise the school offered was reasonable. I also think it's fine for the family to turn it down, but then the onus is on them to find a situation that works better within their belief system.
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    I agree that the school made very reasonable accommodations.

    As an aside, my DDs school is a private christian school and the kids that go to the middle school and the high school wear ID badges.
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    ID badges with a bar code to scan for library / cafeteria I would be fine with. The "tracking chip" IDs, however, are more concerning plus honestly seem self-defeating for the *stated* purpose.

    The tracking chip technology CAN be hacked and used maliciously -- both to track students off campus as well as potentially give access to the students' personal information on file with the school system.

    I also agree with the ACLU of Texas in "Opt Out of Invasive Programs: RFID in Texas Schools." This seems to be treating kids more like parolees under house arrest.

    Additionally, (and I believe this was mentioned before in another debate), what prevents a student from carrying about more than one ID to help a friend skip? What about exchanging IDs in the school? Let's face it -- those that are repeatedly truant or in trouble at school are not likely going to be deterred from doing either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MissyJ View Post
    Additionally, (and I believe this was mentioned before in another debate), what prevents a student from carrying about more than one ID to help a friend skip? What about exchanging IDs in the school? Let's face it -- those that are repeatedly truant or in trouble at school are not likely going to be deterred from doing either.
    I did mention this in the other debate. A lot of parents take comfort that their kids have cell phones with GPS so the parents can monitor where the kid is. But then I see kids at the park holding 2 or 3 phones for other kids who are off somewhere they shouldn't be, and sometimes even texting with the other kids' parents if they get a call or message while they're gone. The kids have figured out a very simple work-around.
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