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Judge's Hair cut punishment

[h=1]Utah mom upset over judge's hair-cut punishment[/h]
Do you believe that the judge's order was a reasonable consequence or was his "eye for an eye" order over the top?

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I believe it was very reasonable for this girl to be able to realize what she had done and have to live with the consequences just the same as her victim did.

This article gives a little more information. It was a very malicious planned out act, and it sounds like the girl had been bullying others too.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865557954/Judge-orders-Price-woman-to-cut-off-daughters-ponytail-in-court.html

What is amazing to me is that her mother thinks the punishment is too harsh, yet that is what her daughter did to an innocent little girl. This is what her mother said.

"She definitely needed to be punished for what had happened," she told the Deseret News. "But I never dreamt it would be that much of a punishment."

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I want to give the mother of the 13 year old a smack upside the head!!! :violent2:

What is this mom teaching her daughter? That being a bully is ok and if we whine about it we will get attention. I think in this case the punishment fits the crime. Kids need to learn there are consequences to our actions!

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I can see the mom being upset if it was something permanent, but hair grows back. She left some permanent damage on this little girl when she bullied her.

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"mom2robbie" wrote:

I want to give the mother of the 13 year old a smack upside the head!!! :violent2:

What is this mom teaching her daughter? That being a bully is ok and if we whine about it we will get attention. I think in this case the punishment fits the crime. Kids need to learn there are consequences to our actions!

Not only that... but where was she when these 2 girls went through all the trouble of trying to get sissors from employees and while they went to the store next door to buy sissors? Was she even at the McDonalds with them or were they just roaming the neighborhood?

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Seems perfectly reasonable to me. This girl sounds like a little punk, glad to see someone brought her down a couple of notches since her parents didn't. The mom didn't have to cut her daughter's hair; it was a bargain to reduce her sentence of community service hours.
The article that Gloria posted includes this statement: "The Utah Code states that juvenile court should use sanctions that will 'promote guidance and control' and prevent 'future unlawful conduct' and develop 'responsible citizenship,'" the statement read. "Judges are given discretion in coming up with sanctions for youth that will change their behavior in a positive way." Perhaps experiencing the same thing her victim did will help this girl learn some empathy, and perhaps this is going to be enough of a punishment that she never wants to get into trouble again & lose something even more dear to her than her hair, like maybe her freedom. I hope the courts throw out the mom's complaint against the judge; it sounds like he was being very reasonable and creative in his sentencing & looking to build character instead of just punish.

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"GloriaInTX" wrote:

Not only that... but where was she when these 2 girls went through all the trouble of trying to get sissors from employees and while they went to the store next door to buy sissors? Was she even at the McDonalds with them or were they just roaming the neighborhood?

I can accept that a 13yo & 11yo might be at a McDonalds by themselves, maybe they didn't want to go shopping with mom or walked up to get an ice cream on a hot day, but I have to wonder where was the mom of the 3yo whose hair was cut? The articles say that the older girls "friended" the little girl, which makes it sound like they just picked her out & started talking with her, not that they knew her before this incident. I can't imagine not watching my 3yo at a fast food place for long enough for something like that to happen.

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I can accept that a 13yo & 11yo might be at a McDonalds by themselves, maybe they didn't want to go shopping with mom or walked up to get an ice cream on a hot day, but I have to wonder where was the mom of the 3yo whose hair was cut? The articles say that the older girls "friended" the little girl, which makes it sound like they just picked her out & started talking with her, not that they knew her before this incident. I can't imagine not watching my 3yo at a fast food place for long enough for something like that to happen.

See I could see easily how it could happen. When the kids disappear into those huge play structures you can't really see them, you just sit where you can see the entrance to make sure you get them when they come out. I wouldn't think it was strange if some other kids that happened to be there were playing with my kids, it has happened many times when I have been there before. They could easily have lured her into one of those tubes and cut her hair, at 3 years old she probably didn't really understand what was happening.

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"Spacers" wrote:

I can accept that a 13yo & 11yo might be at a McDonalds by themselves, maybe they didn't want to go shopping with mom or walked up to get an ice cream on a hot day, but I have to wonder where was the mom of the 3yo whose hair was cut? The articles say that the older girls "friended" the little girl, which makes it sound like they just picked her out & started talking with her, not that they knew her before this incident. I can't imagine not watching my 3yo at a fast food place for long enough for something like that to happen.

I agree with everyone that the teen's haircut was a creative sentence that the judge likely *had* hoped would get the point across enough to make a difference. Unfortunately, I think her mom's media backpedaling has undone that message so now she can claim what a "victim" she was (vs. a bully.)

BUT -- I also wondered about the bolded above. This had to have taken some time though for those girls to pull off. While I am in no way discounting what those older girls did, I do wonder where mom of the 3 yr was as well.

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Gloria - I understand about the tubes... but are kids that old allowed in those play structures?

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Gloria - I understand about the tubes... but are kids that old allowed in those play structures?

Absolutely. The age limit is 12, but I have seen kids that age or older in there many times, and they don't really enforce it. They are really big enough for the parents to get up there to get their kids if necessary. If I saw 2 young girls 11 & 13 going through there I wouldn't question it.

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I have a 12 yr old that would still go into the play structure. We dont really play in fast food ones, because I think they are really dirty. But we have a fun center here that has a play area like that and my 12 yr old loves it. I dont leave my kids alone at places like that and I will only allow her to play in it as long as she remains aware of the fact that it is meant for younger kids and she needs to be respectful.

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I applaud the judge! What I find ironic is that the mom said the eye for an eye theory doesn't work. Yeah, because what the mother has done worked so well. Really? Threatening/bullying a teen in CO and a 3 YO?

Anyway, one of the articles I read said the girl was with other family members. I can see it happening even with the most watchful eye. In the tubes that require crawling, you wouldn't be able to see the act of cutting her hair in the back. When you have that long of hair, you really won't feel it.

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I think this was the right thing to do because mom is an idiot and nothing she has done (which also seems to be nothing) has worked and this girl clearly isn't learning anything by her mom's "punishments" whatever they may be.

As a mother of a 2 and 4 year old I would be extra vigilant about them being in a play structure with older kids. I don't see any reason for an older child to be in there anyway.

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OK... I'm absolutely NOT condoning what this girl and her friend did... but... who calls the cops on somebody for cutting somebody's hair?? I'd be absolutely LIVID and flipping out if it happened to my child, yes... but it really wouldn't even cross my mind to call the police about it.

That said, the mother was given a choice by the judge. She CHOSE to cut her daughter's hair in exchange for a reduction of hours... that was HER CHOICE, she could've said no and made her daughter do the full number of hours, so she really can't blame anybody but herself for her daughter's hair being cut. Personally, I think it would make more of an impression on the teen to do the full hours though... you don't always get to "bargain" your way out of things.

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Marla, I think in this instance, I would have been one to call the police. These girls were old enough that they should be expected to know right from wrong. They weren't simply over at one of their homes where they decided to "play hair stylist" and cut one another's hair. (Obviously both girls had hair long enough to put in a pony tail since the judge offered an equally short haircut as a part of their sentence.) They went out of their way to obtain scissors with the sole purpose of the malicious act of cutting a complete stranger's -- a small 3 yr old girl's -- hair.

My young girls have long hair and the youngest two love having their older sisters or me brush their hair, put it in pony tails, braids, etc. Haircuts are more "trims" and I know that it would make them scared of anyone coming near them with scissors after this happened out of fear of what they would end up with. Their understanding at this age would not likely reason that what those strangers did was different than what a stylist would be able to do. Actually, it would likely make them fearful of strangers period -- including other kids -- for some time.

Fortunately, yes, the hair would grow back but the other effects may last longer. (I'd be hopeful that at the age of 3 that the child would be emotionally resilient that it wouldn't take *as long* but every child responds differently.)

Agree 100% with you on the statement about the mother and the sentencing. I'd likely opt for the full community service from the judge AND make my "child" get a super short cut that was forced upon the three year old as her "sentence" from mom. Blum 3