Keep your dog on a leash

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Keep your dog on a leash

What do you think about people who own dogs, allowing them off the leash in public places?

We like to visit our local glens and beaches and guarenteed, there is always a dog running around without a lead. Numerous times I have had to shoo the animal away as it has leaped onto DD, whilst she screams the place down.

Now I know they need their exercise etc but I see this as a problem.

What do you all think?

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It's against the law here. So I remind the dog owner of that and ask that they leash their dog. They always have (though not always without a sneer or comment that their dog wouldn't hurt a fly, as if I care). Loose dogs drive me nuts.

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Hmm Jordan that's interesting that there's a law where you live. I might look into it here!

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Case by case basis for me. Some dogs are fine without a leash and that doesn't bother me. Those who would be jumping on small children, even out of friendliness, belong on a leash.

What i expect is for the dog owner to be a conscientious dog owner and make the right decision.

Laws vary here by city and town. I'm not going to get all up in arms about someone violating a leash law if their dog is actually very well behaved. But i do think its good when laws give people grounds to say "Please leash your dog" if someone encounters what you did, Kristi. That dog should be on a leash.

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My dog is a jumper. In public she is not off of a leash. We have a leash law in town and we do not have a dog park so dogs should be on a leash or contained at all times (doesn't always happen).

I hate dogs in most public places. I hate going to Target and seeing a dog (not a service dog) being paraded around. Many people are allergic and many kids (and adults) are afraid of them. I have, in those instances, reported to the manager. Unknown dogs make my oldest very nervous. She has the right to come with me to the store without fear of encountering someone's pet.

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DS is scared of dogs. Not to a screaming crying puddle scared, but wont go near them, nervously watches scared. So I absolutely hate it when people have their dogs off leash, especially in the school yard! I dont mind so much on trails, or beaches as long as they can control the dog, we are past fast and it is done. What I especially hate is people who lecture when asked to put a leash on their dog because a child is scared. Honestly, I dont care how friendly your dog is, or whos fault it is that my son is scared, or what I could do to make him not scared. Bottom line, we cant play on the playground if your dog is illegally running around without a leash, so stop being a jerk and leash your dog.

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There is no reason for my daughter to be scared. We have a dog, she's been around them, never been bitten. They make her nervous.

She goes to karate and one day the family brought their black lab into the class. Um. NO!

Dogs don't belong on playgrounds.

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"JorgieGirl" wrote:

It's against the law here. So I remind the dog owner of that and ask that they leash their dog. They always have (though not always without a sneer or comment that their dog wouldn't hurt a fly, as if I care). Loose dogs drive me nuts.

Same here. There are legal places for dogs to be off-leash and I generally avoid those places. If a dog is off-leash in another park, I just remind them of the law and most people will either put their dog on a leash or at least call them over & keep them under control. Our local park for about an hour in the evening, dog owners kind of take over the far end of the grassy area even though it's technically illegal, and I'm OK with that because they are away from the play area and there aren't organized events using that space.

We had two pitbulls run through soccer practice last week. :evil: I was so freaking pissed. It's painted on the sidewalks that you have to cross to get to the grassy area "NO DOGS OFF LEASH" and not just dogs but pitbulls. One of the other parents took photos and a photo of the guy's license plate and reported it to the city. Not sure if they can or will do anything but it felt good to at least try, kwim?

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It's a law here as well. Keep your freakin' dog on a leash, I don't care how friendly it is. I also can't stand people who think everyone wants to pet their dog and allow the dog to approach me or my kid just because the dog wants to.

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I heard someone today walking down our sidewalk with a small girl, a woman with a dog (on a leash but one that was waaaaaay too long) was walking toward them. The guy said, quite loudly, "My girl kicks any dogs that get too close, you might want to pull yours in a bit." She did. I was wondering if that was true or just a very effective dog-management strategy, LOL!

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"Spacers" wrote:

I heard someone today walking down our sidewalk with a small girl, a woman with a dog (on a leash but one that was waaaaaay too long) was walking toward them. The guy said, quite loudly, "My girl kicks any dogs that get too close, you might want to pull yours in a bit." She did. I was wondering if that was true or just a very effective dog-management strategy, LOL!

Wow that's terrible. I expect parents to teach their kids to treat dogs properly just like I expect dog owners to do what it takes to ensure their dogs treat children properly

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"Spacers" wrote:

I heard someone today walking down our sidewalk with a small girl, a woman with a dog (on a leash but one that was waaaaaay too long) was walking toward them. The guy said, quite loudly, "My girl kicks any dogs that get too close, you might want to pull yours in a bit." She did. I was wondering if that was true or just a very effective dog-management strategy, LOL!

I hope that's not true. As much as I hate dogs not on leashes I would never teach or allow my child to hit or kick an animal unless they were being hurt.

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Oh, I didn't mean that the girl kicked the dog! I meant that the woman walking the dog pulled the dog back. Maybe I've been bitten too many times by supposedly "friendly" dogs or just had too many run-ins with dogs who were "on a leash" but definitely not under their owner's control because the leash was 20 feet long because I thought it was great. I absolutely teach my kids to respect animals (we're vegetarian, after all) but I've also taught them that if they feel threatened by a dog, to kick first, ask questions later.

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"Spacers" wrote:

Oh, I didn't mean that the girl kicked the dog! I meant that the woman walking the dog pulled the dog back. Maybe I've been bitten too many times by supposedly "friendly" dogs or just had too many run-ins with dogs who were "on a leash" but definitely not under their owner's control because the leash was 20 feet long because I thought it was great. I absolutely teach my kids to respect animals (we're vegetarian, after all) but I've also taught them that if they feel threatened by a dog, to kick first, ask questions later.

I didn't realize that kicking dogs was considered the proper way to fend an aggressive one off.

I think its bothersome to me that this guy thinks its okay for his daughter to kick any dog that comes near her...if he was really being serious. I think thats a totally inappropriate way to handle a fear of dogs.

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F'ing double posts

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If an aggressive dog is running toward me or my child, you're damn right I'm gonna kick it. But, that has never happened, so it's not like I go around kicking animals.

How would you fend off a dog who is out to jump on you or bite you? Or is growling or barking at you?

I wouldn't kick a dog who is just sniffing around, but I would be shooing it away.

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"JorgieGirl" wrote:

If an aggressive dog is running toward me or my child, you're damn right I'm gonna kick it. But, that has never happened, so it's not like I go around kicking animals.

How would you fend off a dog who is out to jump on you or bite you? Or is growling or barking at you?

I wouldn't kick a dog who is just sniffing around, but I would be shooing it away.

I don't know what i would do, but it would seem being aggressive towards the dog right out of the gate doesnt seem like a grand idea. This father didn't say "My daughter will kick your dog if it starts acting aggressive towards her" He just said she kicks any dog that comes close to her.

Thats totally wrong.

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What Kim said. I wouldn't tell me kids to sit there and be bit and mauled without fighting back but I wouldn't suggest being aggressive from the start.

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We have huge signs upon entering our soccer complex: "No pets allowed", and still almost EVERY day I have to deal with people that don't believe it applies to them. I've even had one last week proclaim "MY dog is not a *pet* -- he's family!" Yeah -- well your "family member" just dumped on the field! It just does not enter their mind why it is an issue for kids to be running, playing, and sliding in it.

:roll: My *pet* peeve is more often when we are simply trying to take a walk in our neighborhood! On trails, most owners are responsible and leash their pets. Despite laws that pets should be inside, leashed, or otherwise restrained (backyard fence they can't jump), we cannot take a walk without having dogs rush out barking and going around us. I can't take our small kids as every few minutes they feel terrorized by another dog running towards them. EVEN IF they were friendly, it can be intimidating. Fortunately, more neighbors are joining in to try and get others to act responsibly. We'll see.

I meant to add -- in an attempt to avoid startling a dog (even a seemingly friendly one), I've taught the kids to stand still... and then move slowly away. If a dog actually attacked -- yes my kids would kick but if knocked down they know to try and curl up tightly and protect their face/head. I HATE that I felt the need to teach them that due to irresponsible people. (FTR, we have always had pets.)

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I am a little surprised by the responses thus far. While I completely agree, I am more used to the "My dog is my family and should be treated like family" crowd. I used to have a neighbor that felt it was animal cruelty to leave a dog outside. We do not have any pets so it did not apply, but I was surprised.

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My pets are part of the family but they are still animals and I'm not a fan of thinking they belong everywhere that humans do.

I do not keep my animals outside. My cat is an indoor cat and my dog is only outside when leashed for walks or when we are out there. She stays inside when we are not at home and at night. I do think it is mean to keep them outdoors especially in the winter.

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I'm still kind of floored by the dog kicking stuff.

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No one replied yet how they would fend off an aggressive dog. I am honestly interested. Do you wait until you are actually bitten before you defend yourself? Or do you yell and gesticulate? What is the appropriate way of protecting yourself or your child from an aggressive dog?

See, I look at it like this. If a human were to run up to me aggressively I would be reacting viscerally from the get-go. I'm not waiting to see how badly my children or I are going to be hurt before I start fighting back whether it's a person, a pet or a wild animal.

But like I also said before, that has never happened. I've never kicked a dog. I've never told my kids to kick a dog. No dog has ever aggressively approached me. I'm only talking in hypothetical.

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"JorgieGirl" wrote:

No one replied yet how they would fend off an aggressive dog. I am honestly interested. Do you wait until you are actually bitten before you defend yourself? Or do you yell and gesticulate? What is the appropriate way of protecting yourself or your child from an aggressive dog?

Actually most things i've read about defending yourself from a dog recommends being calm, not aggressive. Do not run away, try a stern command, but don't shout or scream. Don't turn your back, but back away slowly. Dont make eye contact. Most things point to NOT fighting back aggressively as it will only cause the dog to try to render you dead or imobile. If you are knocked off your feet, then you should curl into a ball and use your arms and fists to cover your head and neck. Your primary goals to save yourself from a dog attack is to 1)back off of what they may perceive as their territory 2)do not display yourself as a threat and 3)Do not display yourself as prey (by turning your back and running)

I have seen recommendations of throwing things because dogs are afraid of projectiles...and in the case of saving a child, you could attack the dog as a distraction (basically sacrificing yourself for the sake of the child) but it won't cause the dog to run away, kicking the dog would simply turn its attention to you instead.

I would never blame anyone though for instinctually kicking a dog while being attacked because if you are operating on pure adrenalin, you may just do what your gut says, even if it will make your situation worse.

Its this notion of being ready to kick any dog that may come close to you because you are afraid of them...and how thats somehow okay that really bothers me.

See, I look at it like this. If a human were to run up to me aggressively I would be reacting viscerally from the get-go. I'm not waiting to see how badly my children or I are going to be hurt before I start fighting back whether it's a person, a pet or a wild animal.

Humans and dogs are not the same....at all. Anyway, i'm not saying that if the dog is clearly being an aggressor that its not okay to defend oneself...if you know how to properly do so, it would not include kicking the dog. But without that knowledge and working on instinct, sure i could see how one may kick a dog.

But to act like there is something okay about threatening to kick a dog that is with its owner, merely because its on a long leash seems pretty awful to me. And really....kicking a dog that has not proven to be a threat is more likely to escalate a situation that may have never existed in the first place. Plus its just disrespectful and mean.

But like I also said before, that has never happened. I've never kicked a dog. I've never told my kids to kick a dog. No dog has ever aggressively approached me. I'm only talking in hypothetical.

Maybe you and I are talking about two different things. It seemed to be presented in this thread that kicking a dog is a good preemptive defense, whether you know the dog is a threat or not...just because they scare you.

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I kicked a dog. I was out running one day and was pushing my baby in the jogging stroller. A dog came running out, barking, ran right through his electric fence, and went right at my baby in the stroller. Damn straight I kicked him, while yelling. His owner was running out behind him, screaming, and I was yelling to get her EFFING dog off of my baby while I kicked her dog ~ her dog was attacking my defenseless infant.

we also had an interesting encounter two weeks ago. We were meeting friends for breakfast on a sunday morning. We were crossing the street at a 4 way stop in town. Our friends were already at the restaurant and we were waving to them as we crossed the street. I was walking ahead of my husband, holding onto my daughters hand. between us was a couple walking a pit bull on a leash. My husband was holding the boys hands behind me. We were in the middle of the street and the pit bull jumped on my youngest (2) knocking him TO THE GROUND in the middle of the road. My husband was LIVID, I swear he almost jumped the dog owner, had be been that sort of guy he would have. No baby deserves to be knocked to the ground in the middle of the street. If a dog is on a leash it still needs to be under control. I was so pissed.

I've never heard of "outdoor dogs" before living in Alabama for a stint. I don't understand it, personally, and yes, it seems unusual. Maybe on a working farm or something, but generally I think that it is not kind.

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"Potter75" wrote:

I've never heard of "outdoor dogs" before living in Alabama for a stint. I don't understand it, personally, and yes, it seems unusual. Maybe on a working farm or something, but generally I think that it is not kind.

This is interesting to me. I grew up in NY and having outside dogs was very common. I wonder if it is a City vs. Rural thing? The part of NY I am from is country. Outside dogs are also common here.

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I don't live in the city. Maybe it's a socioeconomic thing.

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I don't live in the city and I know people who keep dogs and cats outdoors. I still think it's mean.

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"KimPossible" wrote:

Maybe you and I are talking about two different things. It seemed to be presented in this thread that kicking a dog is a good preemptive defense, whether you know the dog is a threat or not...just because they scare you.

Well, I've already said twice what I'm referring to and it's something that has never happened to me. Regardless, I would still never feel guilty for kicking something or someone who is going to physically harm myself or my children. If that makes me mean or disrespectful to the vicious creature so be it.

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"Potter75" wrote:

I kicked a dog. I was out running one day and was pushing my baby in the jogging stroller. A dog came running out, barking, ran right through his electric fence, and went right at my baby in the stroller. Damn straight I kicked him, while yelling. His owner was running out behind him, screaming, and I was yelling to get her EFFING dog off of my baby while I kicked her dog ~ her dog was attacking my defenseless infant.

we also had an interesting encounter two weeks ago. We were meeting friends for breakfast on a sunday morning. We were crossing the street at a 4 way stop in town. Our friends were already at the restaurant and we were waving to them as we crossed the street. I was walking ahead of my husband, holding onto my daughters hand. between us was a couple walking a pit bull on a leash. My husband was holding the boys hands behind me. We were in the middle of the street and the pit bull jumped on my youngest (2) knocking him TO THE GROUND in the middle of the road. My husband was LIVID, I swear he almost jumped the dog owner, had be been that sort of guy he would have. No baby deserves to be knocked to the ground in the middle of the street. If a dog is on a leash it still needs to be under control. I was so pissed.

I've never heard of "outdoor dogs" before living in Alabama for a stint. I don't understand it, personally, and yes, it seems unusual. Maybe on a working farm or something, but generally I think that it is not kind.

I don't think there is anything wrong with fending off an actual attack. Was that dog little? I can't imagine kicking a big dog being effective nor recommended if its large.

Trust me my argument is not 'never be mean to a dog'.

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"JorgieGirl" wrote:

Well, I've already said twice what I'm referring to and it's something that has never happened to me. Regardless, I would still never feel guilty for kicking something or someone who is going to physically harm myself or my children. If that makes me mean or disrespectful to the vicious creature so be it.

I've made it pretty clear that it makes sense to defend yourself from something that is going to harm you.

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"KimPossible" wrote:

I don't think there is anything wrong with fending off an actual attack. Was that dog little? I can't imagine kicking a big dog being effective nor recommended if its large.

Trust me my argument is not 'never be mean to a dog'.

it was medium. But if not kick what on earth do you DO? I'm not reaching in with my bare hands. I can't out run it. I was in a neighborhood- neatly manicured lawns and houses on acre lots- nothing to throw. My feet at least were protected by sneakers. My baby was being snapped at. Kick was very instinctive- and it worked. A kick to the face can be very thwarting.

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"Potter75" wrote:

it was medium. But if not kick what on earth do you DO? I'm not reaching in with my bare hands. I can't out run it. I was in a neighborhood- neatly manicured lawns and houses on acre lots- nothing to throw. My feet at least were protected by sneakers. My baby was being snapped at. Kick was very instinctive- and it worked. A kick to the face can be very thwarting.

I don't know what else you would do. It would probably depend on how the whole attack was going down. If i felt it was the the only possible recourse, or the only thing i kind find myself capable of doing at the moment out of instinct...sure i'd kick it.

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"KimPossible" wrote:

I've made it pretty clear that it makes sense to defend yourself from something that is going to harm you.

Well, that's obviously what I have been talking about when I talk about kicking a dog. I said right in my first post that I have never been approached by an aggressive dog and any other loose dog situations I have been in were resolved easily by me asking the owner to leash their pet.

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"JorgieGirl" wrote:

Well, that's obviously what I have been talking about when I talk about kicking a dog. I said right in my first post that I have never been approached by an aggressive dog and any other loose dog situations I have been in were resolved easily by me asking the owner to leash their pet.

there were other people besides you talking about kicking dogs.

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yes, but you kept quoting me.

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"JorgieGirl" wrote:

yes, but you kept quoting me.

Because you asked questions. So i chose to offer up my own answer....each step of the way clarifying that I think its fine to defend yourself from an attacking dog.

Lets just forget it.

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It's not that I'm afraid of dogs, it's that dogs should be under an owner's control at all times. The usual reply to, "Please pull your dog in," in my experience is generally, "Oh, it's OK, he's friendly!" I was bitten by a dog on a leash that the owner said, just a moment before, "Oh, he's friendly!" Yeah, sure, it was just a playful nibble between friends -- that drew blood. I was bitten by my neighbor's dog who knew me and generally just flopped at my feet for a belly rub. That time, completely unprovoked, he bit my hand so badly I required stitches. Weston was three weeks old at the time, and that sure was fun, having my dominant hand pretty much unusable for two weeks while trying to nurse, change diapers, clean my post-partum self. I'm still not afraid of dogs but I do like the idea of suggesting that I *would* kick one to let an owner know that they need to control their dog better. Because even friendly dogs do bite.

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I think owners need to be very sure of dogs actions, and where they are before they think about not having a leash. My parents let their lab out in their front yard without a leash, but she is trained to go stand behind my mom when someone is walking by or approaching the house. I would not try to do this, my male dog thinks everyone wants to play with him and approaches everyone (usually he lays down so they can pet his belly) but I know some people would be frightened if he approached them.
Our town has a leash law, but I dont think it is very well applied.