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What would you do if your child confessed to a murder? Would you turn him in? Would you support him through the court process by hiring a lawyer etc. or just tell him to plead guilty and be done with it? Would it make any difference if he could get the death penalty?

Sigg was arrested after confessing to his mother, who then called police in Colorado so her son could turn himself in, sources said.

Investigators scoured the Westminster, Colo., home overnight where Sigg lives with his mother. FBI agents combed the backyard for clues and towed away his car.

"He was always egotistical, but I never thought he would go this far," Austin Cassie, who has known Sigg since elementary school, said. "I mean, he wasn't ever that violent of a person. He was more bark than bite."

Sigg is a student at Arapahoe Community College Littleton, Colo., according to his arrest report, where classmates said he was studying mortuary science. He took second place in a high school competition involving crime-scene investigations.

Jessica Ridgeway Murder Suspect Austin Sigg Calm in Court Appearance - ABC News

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What a heart breaking situation. Yes, if I believed my child committed murder I would turn them in. I would also support them by making sure they had a lawyer and any support they needed.

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Yes I would turn my child in. Absolutely. By keeping it secret I'm interfering in my child's opportunity at rehabilitation and at the same time commiting a crime by aiding and abetting. At least I'm assuming it would be a crime. I don't know for sure. I don't think it's the same as spousal privilege.

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I would turn my child in for murder absolutely. Even with the death penalty as hard as that may be for me.

I would also help to secure a lawyer for my child so she was represented properly.

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I was thinking of posting this very thing.
I would turn them in. Nothing is to be gained from keeping it hidden. At the very least they could get help if needed, and the family would have closure.
I would definitely want to hire a lawyer and make sure everything was done correctly.

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I would turn them in. If my child or someone I loved was a victim, i would hope and pray that the mother of that murderer would do the same....therefor so must I.

Plus i believe in order in our society and that laws and consequences to murder make sense and are good, i don't believe I or the ones i love get to be exceptions to those rules.

It would be heart-breaking but i would do it.

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Turn him in? Yes.
Pay for a lawyer? No.
No matter how you dice it, he deserves life in prison. A guilty verdict is the only justice. I could not sleep at night if my child got off while a beautiful child lost her life because of him.

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"ethanwinfield" wrote:

Turn him in? Yes.
Pay for a lawyer? No.
No matter how you dice it, he deserves life in prison. A guilty verdict is the only justice. I could not sleep at night if my child got off while a beautiful child lost her life because of him.

Innocent until proven guilty. A good lawyer not to make sure he gets off, but to make sure he gets a fair trial.

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I would hope that since my child knows me and my values that telling me would just be his first step in turning himself in. I would help to facilitate that.

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"AlyssaEimers" wrote:

Innocent until proven guilty. A good lawyer not to make sure he gets off, but to make sure he gets a fair trial.

Sigg was arrested after confessing to his mother, who then called police in Colorado so her son could turn himself in, sources said.

In the court of law, yes you need a conviction. If my child confesses the crime to me, that's enough for me. Once I know my child is guilty, what is the motive to hire an attorney when a public defender will do his/her job?

Everyone wants him to have a fair trial because Angel we wouldn't want a guilty man to go free and (B) if the trial is corrupt or in some other way unfair, it might get kicked back/overturned. All attorneys better be capable of making sure a defendant gets a fair trial.

So if I believe my child committed this crime based on his confession to me, the only justice is a guilty verdict in my mind.

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"ethanwinfield" wrote:

Turn him in? Yes.
Pay for a lawyer? No.
No matter how you dice it, he deserves life in prison. A guilty verdict is the only justice. I could not sleep at night if my child got off while a beautiful child lost her life because of him.

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In the court of law, yes you need a conviction. If my child confesses the crime to me, that's enough for me. Once I know my child is guilty, what is the motive to hire an attorney when a public defender will do his/her job?

Everyone wants him to have a fair trial because Angel we wouldn't want a guilty man to go free and (B) if the trial is corrupt or in some other way unfair, it might get kicked back/overturned. All attorneys better be capable of making sure a defendant gets a fair trial.

So if I believe my child committed this crime based on his confession to me, the only justice is a guilty verdict in my mind.

ITA with both of these. There was another case recently where a mom discovered evidence that linked at least one of her teenaged sons to a murder & called the cops, who arrested both of her sons. The first explanation was that they didn't know which one committed the murder, now they say one of them may have lured the victim & helped cover up the crime. TBH I'm not sure I would call the cops without having first confronted my child(ren) about my concerns. As much as I wouldn't want to see my child on trial for murder, I sure as hell wouldn't want to see one of my children on trial for something he didn't do. But then again, now that I'm writing that out, I wouldn't want to become another victim if they know I know.... Sad

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I probably wouldnt pay for an attorney either.....simply because I cant afford to spend my retirement trying to protect my child from the consequences of something he did. And in fact, when I word it that way it makes me think that I might not even if I could afford it. Unless there was some sort of huge mitigating circumstance that I felt was being overlooked or something.

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A confession does not prove guilt. A child could be protecting an adult he trusted. An over zealous judge could assign a more strict punishment that necessary. (1st degree instead of manslaughter...) It is not my job to decide all of the circumstances of the case and decide he does not need a lawyer.

ETA - I am hoping that the only circumstances a child of mine would be capable of murder would be if they were truly insane. A lawyer would help to determine that.

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"AlyssaEimers" wrote:

A confession does not prove guilt. A child could be protecting an adult he trusted. An over zealous judge could assign a more strict punishment that necessary. (1st degree instead of manslaughter...) It is not my job to decide all of the circumstances of the case and decide he does not need a lawyer.

ETA - I am hoping that the only circumstances a child of mine would be capable of murder would be if they were truly insane. A lawyer would help to determine that.

Of course he needs a lawyer. I'm just not going to be the one who pays for it.

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I didnt think we were talking about a child. I was thinking my child as an adult. If it was a child then I would be trying my hardest to get them some help....which might mean getting a lawyer who could fight for a psychiatric facility instead of jail.

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"ethanwinfield" wrote:

Turn him in? Yes.
Pay for a lawyer? No.
No matter how you dice it, he deserves life in prison. A guilty verdict is the only justice. I could not sleep at night if my child got off while a beautiful child lost her life because of him.

complete ditto.

they did it, i'm not going to sacrifice my life/money/job to pay for a lawyer.

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"ftmom" wrote:

I didnt think we were talking about a child. I was thinking my child as an adult. If it was a child then I would be trying my hardest to get them some help....which might mean getting a lawyer who could fight for a psychiatric facility instead of jail.

The person in the article in the op 17 YO.

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I would absolutely turn them in.

And my children have already been told that I will never pay for a lawyer for them if they do something wrong. I would pay for them to get psychiatric help though.

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"mom3girls" wrote:

I would absolutely turn them in.

And my children have already been told that I will never pay for a lawyer for them if they do something wrong. I would pay for them to get psychiatric help though.

See, I want my kids to think they can come to me with anything. I can remember clearly my father telling me that he hoped and prayed I would never get pg (While a teenager) but that if I did to please come to him. I understand this is not at all the same thing, but I think the principle is the same. There are consequences to mistakes, but I will be there with you each step of those consequences.

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"AlyssaEimers" wrote:

See, I want my kids to think they can come to me with anything. I can remember clearly my father telling me that he hoped and prayed I would never get pg (While a teenager) but that if I did to please come to him. I understand this is not at all the same thing, but I think the principle is the same. There are consequences to mistakes, but I will be there with you each step of those consequences.

I will always be there for my children, but that doesnt mean ruining my own future, and taking from my other childrens future to protect them from something that we all know is wrong. And as I said before, If my child was to come to me with this, it would be because they believe they have done wrong and want to turn themselves in. Part of supporting them would be allowing them to pay their debt and get the help they need. I hope that made sense. I wouldn't and couldn't just walk away from my child and wash my hands of them, but there comes a point (hopefully long before murder) where I will stop cleaning up their messes for them and insist that they take responsibility for their own actions. I would support them as much as I could during this process.

To me the pregnancy example does not compare because there is an innocent child involved, so anything I did for my child would be as much for that unborn child as well. In this example the innocent child is dead, and I think there needs to be payment for that, as well as rehabilitation, and I am not able to give my child those things, so hopefully the justice system could.

As a sort of example of how I see the money situation, DH's brother got pretty heavily into drugs a few years back. His wife and him split and he ended up living at his parents house. His parents gave him everything. A place to stay, I think he went through at least 3 cars (including my DH's), and a lot of money, so much so that they are now struggling financially trying to plan for their retirement. He managed to pull himself out of that lifestyle and is now a productive father and husband, as well as a caring son. However, there is a LOT of resentment floating around in that family that so much was given to him when he was the one who was choosing this horrible lifestyle and the 'children' who were responsibly trying to begin lives of their own and start families were given nothing because there was nothing left to give. I couldnt imagine if he had murdered someone and his parents had continued to throw money at him. I am pretty sure they would have totally lost their relationship with their daughter and severely damaged the one with my DH. As it is a lot of damage has been done. When I think of my children, I have to think of the good of ALL of them.

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Yes I would turn my child in. I would get them a lawyer and whatever was needed to navigate the system. But if you kill someone, or are a danger to society, then the corrections system is where you need to be.

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"ClairesMommy" wrote:

Yes I would turn my child in. Absolutely. By keeping it secret I'm interfering in my child's opportunity at rehabilitation and at the same time commiting a crime by aiding and abetting. At least I'm assuming it would be a crime. I don't know for sure. I don't think it's the same as spousal privilege.

This (the bolded). I would want them to get help and that kind of help is not something that I can provide. I would need to trust the system to help them - if they could be helped.

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"AlyssaEimers" wrote:

See, I want my kids to think they can come to me with anything. I can remember clearly my father telling me that he hoped and prayed I would never get pg (While a teenager) but that if I did to please come to him. I understand this is not at all the same thing, but I think the principle is the same. There are consequences to mistakes, but I will be there with you each step of those consequences.

We would definitely help with everything they need help with, and encourage them to come to us. But we also feel they really need to feel the consequences of every action they take. We actually celebrate small mistakes now when they are little and the "pricetag" is pretty small. I think hiring them a lawyer when they are confessing to guilt is going to far in cleaning up their mess

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I would urge my child to do the right thing and turn himself in. If that doesn't happen, then of course I would turn him in. I don't think I would pay for a lawyer, though.