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    What do you think about Sea World's decision put the whale that killed his trainer back in the show?

    SeaWorld's killer whale, Tilikum, will return to performing at the theme park today 13 months after killing trainer Dawn Brancheau.

    In a statement, executives from SeaWorld defended Tilikum's reentry into the performing world saying it "is an important component of his physical, social and mental enrichment."

    Tilikum has been connected to the death of three humans. The last death was on Feb. 24, 2010 when Tilikum used his girth to snatch trainer Dawn Brancheau's ponytail, pull her underwater and shake her violently until she died.

    The death was caught on tape and watched by horrified spectators.

    In 1991, trainer Keltie Lee Byrne fell into a tank holding Tilikum and two other whales at Sealand of the Pacific in Victoria, Canada. A homicide inquest found that the whales had prevented Byrne from climbing out of the tank and ruled her death an accident.

    After Tilikum was transferred to SeaWorld in Orlando, Tilikum was again connected to the death of a person in 1999.

    The body of Daniel Dukes, 27, was found naked and draped across the giant whale's body in July 1999. Dukes reportedly got past security at SeaWorld, remaining in the park after it had closed. Wearing only his underwear, Dukes jumped, fell or was pulled into the frigid water of Tilikum's huge tank.

    Tilikum had been brought to SeaWorld mostly to mate and trainers like Brancheau were not allowed in the water with him, but did interact with him on the pool ledge.

    The 40-year-old trainer was at ease with the killer whale and had just petted him on the nose. However, in a scene that horrified SeaWorld visitors, Tilikum pulled her into the pool and began swinging her around in its mouth.

    SeaWorld officials had always said Tilikum would be back after Brancheau's death, despite protests by experts and activists.

    "He's the big finish and it worries me that the show is more important than his well being or trainer safety," said Naomi Rose from the Humane Society of America.

    Federal officials aren't as worried about the largest killer whale in captivity, but more about his human trainers.

    In August, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration said that Seaworld showed indifference or intentional disregard for employee safety by exposing workers to drowning hazards when they interact with killer whales.
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    I think it's irresponsible. That being said, his trainers probably know his past and will be the ones to decide to get close to him. I think it's a risk you'd have to be really dedicated to take.

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    I think they have the right to make whatever decision they want. I also think that each trainer should have the choice as to whether they work with Tilikum or not. They also failed to note that no trainers will be allowed in the water with him anymore.

    This isn't to say I agree with the premise of whale/dolphin/fish/bird shows in the first place, but just under the premise that they're legal and accepted practice now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MommyJannah View Post
    I think they have the right to make whatever decision they want. I also think that each trainer should have the choice as to whether they work with Tilikum or not. They also failed to note that no trainers will be allowed in the water with him anymore.
    They already weren't allowed in the water with him when the last trainer died. He pulled her in by the hair.

    Tilikum had been brought to SeaWorld mostly to mate and trainers like Brancheau were not allowed in the water with him, but did interact with him on the pool ledge.
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    Well, the trainers aren't getting into the pool with the whale so I don't see the problem. However if they do, it is irresponsible but they know the risks to themselves.
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    These aren't domesticated animals...isn't there always the risk that things might take a turn for the worst?

    I really can't decide. One side of me says that this risk always exists and the circumstances around some of those deaths makes it hard to tell what actually happened.

    But on the flip side, you could say that we have a clear demonstrated act that might indicate a higher risk than usual?

    But then i flip back again and sad...well thats ridiculous...its a friggin Killer Whale...they probably all have the potential to do this!

    But i also know very little about whales.

    I guess, for me, it would depend on if they felt that this was simply a risk of working with whales, and that risk was demonstrated....or if what occurred demonstrates a higher risk than normal...that this whales actions were abnormal. I think its hard to tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minx_Kristi View Post
    Well, the trainers aren't getting into the pool with the whale so I don't see the problem. However if they do, it is irresponsible but they know the risks to themselves.
    but the last woman who died didn't get in the pool with him either

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minx_Kristi View Post
    Well, the trainers aren't getting into the pool with the whale so I don't see the problem. However if they do, it is irresponsible but they know the risks to themselves.
    Like Kim said, the trainer was NOT in the tank with him to begin with. He violently pulled her into the tank and killed her. I think it's irrespondsible for Sea World to continue on with this whale with the violent history he has.

    Of course, it's all about personal respondsibility too. If I were the trainers there, I would refuse to work with the whale. They need to accept that these are wild animals and the danger is always there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    I guess, for me, it would depend on if they felt that this was simply a risk of working with whales, and that risk was demonstrated....or if what occurred demonstrates a higher risk than normal...that this whales actions were abnormal. I think its hard to tell.
    I think this particular killer whales actions WERE normal, that's the thing. It's abnormal for an animal like a killer whale to have a direct relationship with a human being in letting it be petted and fed. They're a predatory animal. It falls in the same category to me as the tiger who attacked Roy Horn from Sigfried and Roy. When a human being decides to work so closely with a violent species, the risk to me would be the same regardless of history of that particular animal. Every violent animal has the same risk to me as another of the same species, since all have the same POTENTIAL to maim or kill, regardless of actualized violence.

    I think we become lax in remembering that the predatory/prey behavior is part of these animals, and breeding them in captivity or training them doesn't just take that away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MommyJannah View Post
    I think this particular killer whales actions WERE normal, that's the thing. It's abnormal for an animal like a killer whale to have a direct relationship with a human being in letting it be petted and fed. They're a predatory animal. It falls in the same category to me as the tiger who attacked Roy Horn from Sigfried and Roy. When a human being decides to work so closely with a violent species, the risk to me would be the same regardless of history of that particular animal. Every violent animal has the same risk to me as another of the same species, since all have the same POTENTIAL to maim or kill, regardless of actualized violence.

    I think we become lax in remembering that the predatory/prey behavior is part of these animals, and breeding them in captivity or training them doesn't just take that away.
    Yes, this is what i'm leaning towards too. I don't think this whale is really any different than any of the other whales Sea World has...except that its actually demonstrated the potential that is in all of them. Therefore, there is no reason, IMO to believe that this whale is unfit to be in a show if they believe all the other ones they have are.
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