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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    I guess for me there were different types of information. I knew about reproduction and periods early, didn't scare me at all. It was hearing about things like fellatio that scared me as a little kid. I had to do what? When would I have to do that? It was a really scary thought.

    So I'm all for sex ed and I'm all for full information, I just think too much too soon can be overwhelming to a child who is not particularly sexually awakened yet.

    Trust me, my kids will know all about periods long before they need to.
    Gah, my neighbor told me about fellatio ~ and then showed me one of his DADS PORNOS after I didn't believe him. I was terrified, probably in like 4th grade? Ughhhhhhhhh.

    I totally agree with you that there is age appropriate (and therefore age INappropriate) information. The most important thing (to me) is creating the normal healthy dialogue around easy to understand/non scary things like anatomy or nursing or birth......so that when some bratty prep school neighbor tells them scary things they can come talk to me about it.

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    Yeah, I remember the slumber party where we discovered the porn stash, must have been about 10yo so about 4th or 5th grade. Did those parents think we just wouldn't look in that cabinet the TV was sitting on? The guy in one of them looked just like Tom Selleck, with a big 70s moustash, and I kept thinking when Magnum PI came on that I was glad that guy finally got a real acting job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Gah, my neighbor told me about fellatio ~ and then showed me one of his DADS PORNOS after I didn't believe him. I was terrified, probably in like 4th grade? Ughhhhhhhhh.

    I totally agree with you that there is age appropriate (and therefore age INappropriate) information. The most important thing (to me) is creating the normal healthy dialogue around easy to understand/non scary things like anatomy or nursing or birth......so that when some bratty prep school neighbor tells them scary things they can come talk to me about it.
    Agree completely. Nursing, anatomy, all that stuff....out in the open. I'm all for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClairesMommy View Post
    First, I will say that I completely agree with Audra's post - it was very well said and IMO pretty eloquent.

    Second, the two bolded sentences are, IMO, very hypocritical. In one you make a clear insinuation that those who don't teach their kids to view sex the way God does are going to have children who will lose their virginity long before they are ready. Then you go on to say that you're disgusted by other peoples' intolerance towards differing viewpoints? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. That first sentence is definitely not one in which you should use a generalization like that, so if you don't mean to generalize, then you need to clear that up. It's pretty offensive.
    Agreed, and I apologize for that. I like to come to this page to read different people's opionions on current events from time to time, but then I get very turned off by the way certain people express their opinions and it makes me very frustrated and I was lashing out at that. I should have simply made my point that Audra's post was very well said and left it at that. It is when people can express their opinions in a respectful way, like Audra did, that other people actually LISTEN and differing opinions might even be swayed (or others might think twice about their viewpoint). It would be so great if more people actually realized that.

    I'm sorry for the first statement (that you bolded) and I don't believe that anyone who doesn't teach their kids God's view of sex will have children that lose their virginity long before they're ready. I do personally believe that many (but not all) of the non-biblical viewpoints on sex shed it in a much more casual light and might lead to children not understanding how much they lose by sharing that with more than one person (again, my viewpoint, and maybe not yours).

    I also DO agree that it is primarily Christians and other religious groups who have withheld sexual information from their children in an attempt to shelter or protect them from it, which I also agree has caused more harm than good in most cases. I don't plan on replicating this with my children and I'm fine with programs like the one in the original post as long as I'm given the opportunity to review the material that will be presented and opt out if I don't agree with what will be shared.
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    Its interesting that you get so frustrated by this behavior you speak of or by these ineffective posts, when in your last three posts on this board you have been admonished by admin for being so rude/personally attacking, inferred that people who aren't Christians are wanton wh0res raising children who will sleep with anyone, and then had to issue an apology post. Maybe you should check yourself before telling everyone else how to post?

    Ultimately I think that most of us want the same thing ~ to raise children with a healthy view of their bodies, with a healthy self image, confidence, and a deep sense of their value and inherent self worth. There is never just one way to get to that point, and every family and every child is going to approach it differently. I DO think, from personal experience, that silence or lack of communication about these issues or about body parts leads to shame or insecurity. I also think that a community which is heavily shame based when it comes to actual human nature (say, masturbation or sexual pleasure) can be a set up for failure ~ which is why I think that the rates of porn addiction or abortion are so high in the CHristian community (they may also be in the Muslim community or other faith based communities, I'm only talking about the one that I experienced and the one that I could fact check, it would be interesting to google for like stats on other religions). I also know that I saw a really high divorce rate amongst young christians. A lot were in love, and desperate to have sex, and also were terrified to come out of college without a love interest (they went to christian colleges) and were afraid that they would not find a christian spouse if they didn't scoop one up in college. The marriage rate of before 25 yo's from my high school was extremely high, and so was the divorce rate. I don't want my religion or my feelings on sex to push my children into marrying at a very young age, I think that it is really hard on young people in todays society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Its interesting that you get so frustrated by this behavior you speak of or by these ineffective posts, when in your last three posts on this board you have been admonished by admin for being so rude/personally attacking, inferred that people who aren't Christians are wanton wh0res raising children who will sleep with anyone, and then had to issue an apology post. Maybe you should check yourself before telling everyone else how to post?
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    I think you are just unhappy with the fact that you are the exact person I am speaking of that can so rarely seem to share your opinion in a respectful way. And it's sad, really, because sometimes I actually agree with your viewpoint, but you state it in such an ugly way that I want nothing to do with it.

    And I am curious where you see that my last 3 posts were "admonished by admin". That happened one time, at least that I saw, and I stand by what I said in that thread. You say much uglier things to people on this board on a regular basis, feeling safe to talk down to people from behind your computer screen as if they don't have feelings or a right to their opinions without being ripped apart for having them.
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    Okay. Debate point?

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    I've been kind of staying out of this in hopes that you two would talk it out and come to your own resolution, but I do agree that it's time to get back to the debate. If you (either of you) would like to talk it out further, you can take it to PM and also involve myself or Missy if that is something that you would prefer. I would be happy to "sit in" if that would make anyone more comfortable, but also respect the fact that you're both adults and can also talk it out amongst yourselves. I think you both have good points to make about the debate topic, so let's get back to that. Thanks!
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    I actually made all of my debate points in my previous post

    Quote Originally Posted by SID081108 View Post
    I also DO agree that it is primarily Christians and other religious groups who have withheld sexual information from their children in an attempt to shelter or protect them from it, which I also agree has caused more harm than good in most cases. I don't plan on replicating this with my children and I'm fine with programs like the one in the original post as long as I'm given the opportunity to review the material that will be presented and opt out if I don't agree with what will be shared.
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    Oh, so that's a good point you bring up - how in depth of knowlege do you need to have before you give your consent? Like, would you be okay reading a general summary of the materials that will be covered, or (for example) if they say that they are going to show a video and read a book, would you need to read the book and watch the video yourself prior to giving permission?
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