Kindergarten's Career Aptitude test

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Kindergarten's Career Aptitude test

[h=1]Kindergarten Career Aptitude Test in the Works [/h]
Do you think that this will be helpful or more detrimental to kids in the long run?

Was what you wanted to be at age 5 what you focused on in high school and beyond?

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I don't have a clue what I wanted to be when I was 5, IF I had a career path even in mind! Claire has 3 things she wants to be/do when she grows up, which is definitely not a static list as it has changed several times. But as of the most recent update to me she wants to: 1) be a ballerina; 2) run her own restaurant; and 3) have Nanny teach her how to knit. Those are her lofty ambitions.

I think #3 is the most sensible out of all of them. Wink And to the first question, I think it's stupid. Kids want to be things like Spiderman, or any one of the Disney Princesses, at the ripe age of 5. Detrimental? Maybe not. Waste of time and resources? Yeah, I think so.

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I think the test sounds interesting, and is yet another way to measure student performance and benchmark achievement. One of the problems we have with current standardized testing (in my state anyway) is that it isn't consistent and the results mean very little. Kindergarteners take Discovery Tests, FLKRS, and FAIR testing; 1-2 graders take Discovery and SAT10; 3-5 graders take Discovery and FCAT; etc. The scoring changes frequently and the tests are seriously flawed. The test in the OP would follow students throughout their school career and it would be easier to gauge individual progress and achievement.

I don't think this test will be used to push elementary aged students one way or another in terms of career choices. I think it will help identify students that are at-risk and hopefully keep them on track to graduating and pursuing a career of some sort.

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My 9 year old (who, to be honest is not the most graceful on a board) wants to own a skate shop. Last year, he wanted to be a Video game Designer... when he was 5 he thought he was going to race Monster Trucks.

I don't see it as detrimental, but yes.. a complete and utter waste. This is not the Hunger Games, we do not live in districts and do not need to be molded to be something based on our "aptitude." We are a free people... and our children need that opportunity to choose and explore.

Gah. What will they come up with next?

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I was one of those strange people who knew what they wanted to be at 5 and carried it on through uni. From earliest memory, for my parents as well, i wanted to be a teacher. I have my degree and everything but when i finshed there were no jobs available according to my state so i did further study as i won a scholarship and am in a different field now, but still want to go back to uni to update my degree and teach again. I just needs to wait until my kids are older.
If they feel this system will work for them, why not, so long as they aren't forcing the kids into classes for one career type as until they re much older children need a well rounded education

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"ange84" wrote:

If they feel this system will work for them, why not, so long as they aren't forcing the kids into classes for one career type as until they re much older children need a well rounded education

Because someone will end up paying for it: the taxpayers. I think the people creating this test are just trying to make money, and it would be better spent elsewhere.

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"GloriaInTX" wrote:

Because someone will end up paying for it: the taxpayers. I think the people creating this test are just trying to make money, and it would be better spent elsewhere.

I am sure there are plenty of things in schools many oarents don't agree with that the education departmentbfeels is beneficial to their staff, students or school community that tax payers still fund. I am sure there are plenty of things in all sectors of government that people feel the same about as well and still have to fund. If the education department believe that this test will have benefits then really it is their job to build the cost into their budgets and make the decsion about why it will really benefit. I know personally there are a lot of things my tax dollars fund that i don't really agree with, but i still have to pay them and it's not my choice how thise funds are allocated

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"ange84" wrote:

I am sure there are plenty of things in schools many oarents don't agree with that the education departmentbfeels is beneficial to their staff, students or school community that tax payers still fund. I am sure there are plenty of things in all sectors of government that people feel the same about as well and still have to fund. If the education department believe that this test will have benefits then really it is their job to build the cost into their budgets and make the decsion about why it will really benefit. I know personally there are a lot of things my tax dollars fund that i don't really agree with, but i still have to pay them and it's not my choice how thise funds are allocated

I would totally agree with this if there was enough money in the classrooms to teach the kids effectively. Right now all the classrooms are over crowded and things like sports, drama, and art is being cut. If we spend money on things like this that are not proved long term to be effective then money from other things gets used up.
So many variable change with kids during their school careers that very much effect students learning. How they test at 5 will not be accurate, in most cases, by the time they are 18.
So my opinion, complete waste of money

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"ange84" wrote:

I am sure there are plenty of things in schools many oarents don't agree with that the education departmentbfeels is beneficial to their staff, students or school community that tax payers still fund. I am sure there are plenty of things in all sectors of government that people feel the same about as well and still have to fund. If the education department believe that this test will have benefits then really it is their job to build the cost into their budgets and make the decsion about why it will really benefit. I know personally there are a lot of things my tax dollars fund that i don't really agree with, but i still have to pay them and it's not my choice how thise funds are allocated

So it is your opinion that since schools waste money on so many things anyway that if they waste it on something like this there is no point in objecting because parents aren't going to agree on everything? So we should just be good little citizens and go along with whatever the Dept of Education comes up with?

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No what i am saying is that the department of education generally make the decsions on what they spend their budget on. Parents can protest it but ultimatley the department of education will still make the decsions they feel suit their needs and agendas the best. I work for a government department where they are making huge cuts to everything including jobs because that fits their agenda and olans, can we as citizens and workers dprotest, yes we can, but if they aren't open to negotiation and still want to fulfil their needs they will continue with the action they plan. I see it as the same deal here education authorities will end up making the decsion they decide is best, but it is peoples right to protest it if they wish, but it may not change anyones mind

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The more I think about this, the more annoyed this is making me. Whatever happened to growing watercress in baby food jars and playing with that multi-coloured parachute in the gym while listening to really cheesy 70s instrumental?

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This test isn't even from the Dept. of Education. It's from a testing company. The same company that produced the American College Test (ACT) which has beaten out the Scholastic Aptitude Test (SAT) as the test of choice for many universities, isn't satisfied with testing kids once or twice when they're getting ready for college. It has now developed a new test that will track a student through 13 years of schooling! Imagine the profits from that! :roll: No thank you.

And forget knowing what I'd want to do in kindergarten, I actually didn't know what I wanted to do when I was in college, that's why I quit. Well, that, and I wanted to party more than do homework. Blum 3 So I worked in restaurants, gaining enough experience & maturity to work my way up to restaurant manager, until I found my calling. I came home from work one day not wanting to smell like a cheeseburger any more, and I'd discovered I had a knack for auditing & accounting, so I went back to school.

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"Claire'sMommy" wrote:

The more I think about this, the more annoyed this is making me. Whatever happened to growing watercress in baby food jars and playing with that multi-coloured parachute in the gym while listening to really cheesy 70s instrumental?

It doesn't surprise me... after all the government's job is to be there to provide for us from cradle to grave like Julia, right?

http://www.barackobama.com/life-of-julia/

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Was there something on that link I was supposed to be offended about? Equal pay? Fair health coverage for all citizens (especially women?), having social security and Medicare when I reach age. Yeah, I'm ticked off about all that. I also have no idea what Obama has to do with this since it shows that it is to be implemented on a state level not federal.

I do hate it though. We test our kids too much.

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Those of you that are annoyed with this new test....do your districts not participate in standardized testing to measure student progress and identify at-risk students? The idea of testing students in a standardized way and identifying strengths/weaknesses is not a new one. The idea of having one test that follows the student throughout their school career and has results that will carry more meaning is a new one, and very interesting to me as an educator (and parent).

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I think our kids spend too much time taking standardized tests yes. I'm not 100% against them however a "career aptitude" test for 5 and 6 year olds is crazy.

My career goals at 5 was to be a doctor by day and a cashier at KMart at night (I liked their cash registers as a kid). Who knows what I would have tested for? Stupid waste of time.

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I do not remember what I wanted to be at 5. I do remember though in 5th grade I wanted to be a lawyer and the first female POTUS. By the time I graduated HS my greatest desire was to be a wife and SAHM. I ended up going to college and getting a degree in Deaf Studies. You change your mind so many times over the years that I think focusing on one career at such a young age is a mistake.

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Doesn't Germany have something similar and you learn at a young age whether you are going to be permitted to go to college? Did I dream that or does someone else remember it?

I think it's a waste of money. Why on earth can't these people do something productive that benefits society?

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Am I missing something? What I read stated that this test would track students' career interests, academic performance, and progress towards goals. It says nothing about "focusing on one career at a young age."

You might be shocked to know that many Kindergarteners, especially at Title I schools, have no idea that they can graduate, complete college or trade school, and have a career they enjoy. I don't see the harm in encouraging them to think about the future and wrap their little minds around the idea that they can be what they want to be, within reason (a unicorn just isn't going to happen Susie....), and they can set goals to help them get there. I'd imagine the focus at the Primary level would be identifying healthy hobbies and learning styles, and the actual career focus wouldn't take place until middle/high school. Remember, this test would follow them throughout their school career.

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That's just it...it follows them. Maybe it's just me, but when I was in elementary I was in advanced studies. Went to middle school and had a bit of harder time with Math (yeah I got a B instead of A)...they drop me down a whole level for ALL subjects. I was bored stiff. Stayed that way until my Junior year of high school. JUNIOR YEAR. 1 class cost me a lot of things and that one class was in 5th grade!

I see this for other kids. Oh you tested as being more apt to be a mechanic vs. a lawyer...let's take you off college track...or vice versa. It's limiting.

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"Jessica80" wrote:

I think our kids spend too much time taking standardized tests yes. I'm not 100% against them however a "career aptitude" test for 5 and 6 year olds is crazy.

My career goals at 5 was to be a doctor by day and a cashier at KMart at night (I liked their cash registers as a kid). Who knows what I would have tested for? Stupid waste of time.

I agree with this. I understand the need for standardized, continuous testing, but career aptitude at 5? I'm sorry but I don't understand the point of it.

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It's a waste of money. I didn't know what I wanted to be until many years in college. At 5? Yes my 6 year old wants to be Dr. Brady Barr but my other one wants to be spider man and a farmer. So.. ?