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    http://users.stargate.net/~cokids/ki...-off_dates.htm

    Here are a list of cut off dates by state.

    A huge thing in my area is parents not adhering to the cut off dates in order to have their kid be the biggest, the best, or smarter than other kids on order to excel in primary school and beyond.

    Do you think that these arbitrary dates ought to me made, or do you think that parents should have the option to hold their child back a year, regardless of cut off date because they can?

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    I;ll have to check my county, because I could have swore the cut off date was in September or October. Jace's bday is December 27, and I always suspected he would start next year and just be older then most of the kids (since he would be turning 6).

    I'll come back and answer debate questions later

    Okay, the list you posted is wrong for MD anyway, I guess everyone shold check their counties/districts websites to be for sure.

    The county we live in:
    "Age for Starting School

    In a sequence which has been phased in over a series of years, a child must be five years of age on or before September 1st to begin kindergarten. A child must be four years of age on or before September 1st to be considered for prekindergarten. A child must be six years of age on or before September 1st to begin first grade.

    The State Board's action to phase-in the changes of date of entry concluded a process that began December, 2001. The Board had received a report from the Maryland Kindergarten Committee - co-chaired by Harford Superintendent Jacqueline C. Haas - which recommended the change.

    "The academic rigor of the kindergarten classroom has been building over time," State Superintendent of Schools Nancy S. Grasmick said. "It is our goal that students enter Maryland schools ready to learn, and this measure is an important step in that direction."

    Local boards of education may adopt regulations permitting a four-year-old child (if the child will turn 5 on or before October 15th of the current school year), upon request by the parent or guardian, to be admitted to kindergarten if the local system determines that the child demonstrates the capabilities warranting early admission. In addition, the regulations maintain the option for parents to request a "Level of Maturity Waiver" for the local board to exempt from mandatory attendance for one year a kindergarten eligible child. Applications for both early entry and maturity waivers are available the first Friday in May each year, at every attendance area school."


    That's what it said on my website.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    http://users.stargate.net/~cokids/ki...-off_dates.htm

    Here are a list of cut off dates by state.

    A huge thing in my area is parents not adhering to the cut off dates in order to have their kid be the biggest, the best, or smarter than other kids on order to excel in primary school and beyond.

    Do you think that these arbitrary dates ought to me made, or do you think that parents should have the option to hold their child back a year, regardless of cut off date because they can?
    Haha! Sounds like those ladies who are due at the end of one month and purposely go to the next month's BB just so they can be first!

    But anyways, in general, I think it's ok for parents to be able to decide when their children start school. The parents are the ones who know their child's level of emotional and academic maturity the best. I kind of don't understand the rush rush rush to start everything so early anyways. I like half day kindergarten. I like social skills, story time, and nap time in kindy. Poo on huge homework packets and standardized tests for 5 year olds!

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    California just changed the kindergarten cut off date from December 2nd to September 1st or 2nd, can't remember exactly which date. It's being phased in over the next three years, so kids born before November can start this year, those born before October can start next year, and the September cut-off begins in 2013. Tons of parents of kids born in October & November since 2006 are pissed because it means they lose the choice of enrolling their child "early" or holding them out another year. My son & my nephew were born five weeks apart, but they'll be in different grades because my nephew's birthday falls after September 2nd. This is particularly an issue in S.F. where siblings get priority in school assignments. I know at least three women who opted to induce in late August this year just to ensure that their babies will be able to start school when they are five, if they are ready of course, and get into a particular school because a sibling will still be attending.

    I think school enrollment should be a calendar year, if you were born in 2006, you start school in 2011. Someone is always going to be the oldest or the youngest, more mature, less mature. Teachers deal with it, and if any particular child can't handle it, then they can be held back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great Vagina View Post
    Haha! Sounds like those ladies who are due at the end of one month and purposely go to the next month's BB just so they can be first!
    Yes very sameish. I call them "pregnancy winners". The most symptoms, the biggest belly, the first delivery, milestones, birthday etc. Um, yeah, because you are due like 5 or 6 weeks before everyone else. Winner!

    This is like that, but the kids actually matter, as this affects how they relate to their "peers", who may or may not be the same age as them.

    I see this in particular as it relates to boys. Society near me as decided to collectively agree that boys are stupid, it seems. Obvs it annoys the shiznit out of me.

    If we have to have compulsory education, I would personally prefer that there is a rule about it, barring "issues" of any sort, of course. I don't think that it is fair that a parent can choose to keep their child, born in, say, May (like my boy), back, simply because it might be advantagious to that child in terms of athletics/brains/whatnot.

    /This post has no relation to anyones facebook pictures. This is about me, and stuff that I hear in real life. I have feb, march, and may kids. I have already been 'told' to hold back my may boy. I resent the assumption that he is stupid and//or not up to age, but it is probably true, since kids in my area are all 6 going into kindergarten because they are the best awesomist evah.

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    The only people that I know who have held their kids back a year are those who feel their child needs extra time to be on equal footing with the other kids. For example I have a friend who's son has documented learning disorders, so she held him back to give him an extra year to 'prep' for school.

    Having said that, I have a November baby who I have already stated I will keep back a year if I feel it is necessary (our cut off is Dec). If you look at the statistics, children who are older when they start school typically do better because they are more mature and capable of learning in a classroom environment. This may even out over the first couple of years of school, but by then the 'pecking order' has already been established by the children and a child who was immature and further behind at the start of school will have a hard time changing his place in the class.

    I dont want him to be 'bigger' or 'better' than the other kids, I just want to give him the best chance that I can, and if that is keeping him home an extra year, that is what I will do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    California just changed the kindergarten cut off date from December 2nd to September 1st or 2nd, can't remember exactly which date. It's being phased in over the next three years, so kids born before November can start this year, those born before October can start next year, and the September cut-off begins in 2013. Tons of parents of kids born in October & November since 2006 are pissed because it means they lose the choice of enrolling their child "early" or holding them out another year. My son & my nephew were born five weeks apart, but they'll be in different grades because my nephew's birthday falls after September 2nd. This is particularly an issue in S.F. where siblings get priority in school assignments. I know at least three women who opted to induce in late August this year just to ensure that their babies will be able to start school when they are five, if they are ready of course, and get into a particular school because a sibling will still be attending.

    I think school enrollment should be a calendar year, if you were born in 2006, you start school in 2011. Someone is always going to be the oldest or the youngest, more mature, less mature. Teachers deal with it, and if any particular child can't handle it, then they can be held back.
    Wow, now that is planning ahead!

    I honestly never would have thought about it, but DH read a book called Outliers that talked about how kids born in the winter tend to be more successful in school and sports, and its because they are typically the oldest kids in their class. He actually mentioned "holding T back" a year and starting K when he is 6 (his birthday is June, so well before the cut off date) but I think thats a bunch of bullhooey. I mean, I m sure the trend is real, but I m still not going to hold him back just so he can be a year older and bigger. If we get there and I think that he is not ready, that will be different. But I wouldnt hold him back just because. Nor would I start him early "just because" either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    California just changed the kindergarten cut off date from December 2nd to September 1st or 2nd, can't remember exactly which date. It's being phased in over the next three years, so kids born before November can start this year, those born before October can start next year, and the September cut-off begins in 2013. Tons of parents of kids born in October & November since 2006 are pissed because it means they lose the choice of enrolling their child "early" or holding them out another year. My son & my nephew were born five weeks apart, but they'll be in different grades because my nephew's birthday falls after September 2nd. This is particularly an issue in S.F. where siblings get priority in school assignments. I know at least three women who opted to induce in late August this year just to ensure that their babies will be able to start school when they are five, if they are ready of course, and get into a particular school because a sibling will still be attending.

    I think school enrollment should be a calendar year, if you were born in 2006, you start school in 2011. Someone is always going to be the oldest or the youngest, more mature, less mature. Teachers deal with it, and if any particular child can't handle it, then they can be held back.
    They have a stupid 'no child left behind' policy here that means it is extremely difficult, if not impossible to get your child held back a year once they start school. They just continue to push them through the system whether they can complete the work or not
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    Here I think the trend might be opposite to yours, Melis...people push their kids to start early (we have a 12/1 cut-off). I kind of think that is odd. Maybe I am biased because my own birthday is rather middle of the road (compared to our cut-off date), but I would have hated to be the youngest in my grade (last to drive!) or the smallest if a boy (gender stereotype, I know...but if they can have one more year to reach a more average size...). If you have your child in preschool here, part of the benefit is that you get an unbiased assessment of kindergarten readiness, as that year end eval is the norm. Ultimately though, I think it should be a combination of parents/teachers determining readiness ~ if you wish to ignore the cut-off (in either direction), there should be an evaluation done by the school. Maybe that's already what happens though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Yes very sameish. I call them "pregnancy winners". The most symptoms, the biggest belly, the first delivery, milestones, birthday etc. Um, yeah, because you are due like 5 or 6 weeks before everyone else. Winner!

    This is like that, but the kids actually matter, as this affects how they relate to their "peers", who may or may not be the same age as them.

    I see this in particular as it relates to boys. Society near me as decided to collectively agree that boys are stupid, it seems. Obvs it annoys the shiznit out of me.

    If we have to have compulsory education, I would personally prefer that there is a rule about it, barring "issues" of any sort, of course. I don't think that it is fair that a parent can choose to keep their child, born in, say, May (like my boy), back, simply because it might be advantagious to that child in terms of athletics/brains/whatnot.

    /This post has no relation to anyones facebook pictures. This is about me, and stuff that I hear in real life. I have feb, march, and may kids. I have already been 'told' to hold back my may boy. I resent the assumption that he is stupid and//or not up to age, but it is probably true, since kids in my area are all 6 going into kindergarten because they are the best awesomist evah.
    Why on earth shouldnt parents be able to do what they feel is best for their own child? If you dont think that it matters, then how does this even effect you? It doesnt change your childs age or when they start school, that is up to you.
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