"Legitimate" Rape Rarely Results In Pregnancy? (Abort Ment.)

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"Legitimate" Rape Rarely Results In Pregnancy? (Abort Ment.)

Haha, sorry for the serial posting, just finding lots of stuff on HuffPo that I think could make interesting debates.

Todd Akin On Abortion: 'Legitimate Rape' Victims Have 'Ways To Try To Shut That Whole Thing Down' (VIDEO)

Rep. Todd Akin (R-Mo.) justified his extreme opposition to abortion by claiming that victims of "legitimate rape" rarely get pregnant.

In an interview with KTVI-TV on Sunday, the GOP Senate nominee was asked if he supported abortion in the case of rape.

"From what I understand from doctors, that's really rare," said Akin said of pregnancy caused by rape. "If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But let's assume maybe that didn't work or something. I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be on the rapist."

Akin won a three-way primary on Aug. 7 for the rights to a November battle against incumbent Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.). McCaskill was "stunned" by Akin's Sunday comments.

"It is beyond comprehension that someone can be so ignorant about the emotional and physical trauma brought on by rape," McCaskill added in a statement. "The ideas that Todd Akin has expressed about the serious crime of rape and the impact on its victims are offensive."

After Akin's primary win, McCaskill wasted little time in pouncing on his conservative record, calling the congressman "out of touch."

"We're going to prove to Missourians that Todd Akin is out of touch with their problems, out of touch with the pain that they feel, and out of touch with the views that they hold dear," she said back on Aug. 8.
Akin's comments on abortion and rape come less than two weeks after he suggested banning the morning-after pill.

?As far as I?m concerned, the morning-after pill is a form of abortion, and I think we just shouldn?t have abortion in this country,? he said in an Aug.8 interview with KCMO radio.

UPDATE (5:25 p.m. ET): Akin's campaign released a statement Sunday on the issue, where the congressman admitted that he "misspoke" in the KTVI interview.[INDENT]"As a member of Congress, I believe that working to protect the most vulnerable in our society is one of my most important responsibilities, and that includes protecting both the unborn and victims of sexual assault. In reviewing my off-the-cuff remarks, it's clear that I misspoke in this interview and it does not reflect the deep empathy I hold for the thousands of women who are raped and abused every year. Those who perpetrate these crimes are the lowest of the low in our society and their victims will have no stronger advocate in the Senate to help ensure they have the justice they deserve.

"I recognize that abortion, and particularly in the case of rape, is a very emotionally charged issue. But I believe deeply in the protection of all life and I do not believe that harming another innocent victim is the right course of action. I also recognize that there are those who, like my opponent, support abortion and I understand I may not have their support in this election.

"But I also believe that this election is about a wide range of very important issues, starting with the economy and the type of country we will be leaving our children and grandchildren. We've had 42 straight months of unacceptably high unemployment, trillion-dollar deficits, and Democratic leaders in Washington who are focused on growing government, instead of jobs. That is my primary focus in this campaign and while there are those who want to distract from that, knowing they cannot defend the Democrats' failed economic record of the last four years, that will continue to be my focus in the months ahead."

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So....uh...I guess the debate question is, is this guy qualified to be making medical decisions about women's bodies, like, just in case her body's Magic Rape Kill Switch fails? *raised eyebrow* Also, do statements like this help or hurt the pro-life message?

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A friend posted this on facebook...seriously! this guy needs a swift kick and I am sure you can guess where the kick needs to land

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Wait. My body has a special spidey sense that can prevent me from getting pregnant if it is "legitimate" rape? That's some power!

What a moron.

If her pregnancy-shut-down switch fails, FORCING her to carry her baby to term isn't the right thing to do. She's already had one decision regarding her body taken from her and this would be a second one. There's no easy answer on rape.

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What if I have a fault pregnancy shut down switch. Will I be covered to have that fixed? Is it mandated?

This guy makes me sick.

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This guy is a douchebag. I think idiots like this make the pro-life message very diluted. This is one of the things people do that make it hard to admit to being pro-life

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What a stupid thing to say.

I wonder though if what he meant was that very few abortions are the result of rapes. That is true.

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You guys sure have some whackadoodle politicians.

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What bothers me about this, is it implies that women who do get pregnant after a rape, were not 'legitimately' raped. Thats a really bad precedent to set.

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Though rape can result in pregnancy, the abortions that are for that reason are very low. In fact only half of those who become pregnant from rape even choose abortion, and only 1% of abortions are due to rape.

Rape-related pregnancy: estimates and de... [Am J Obstet Gynecol. 1996] - PubMed - NCBI
Abortion Statistics

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The guy is clearly a nut.

That said, I do think abortion should be illegal even in the case of rape. Before I get all kinds of outcrys let me explain. Raps is a terrible awful experience. I do not think going through another terrible awful experience is the answer. There are many things in life that we did not ask for that we have to do anyway. Pay for taxes for one. We just had a debate that you have to pay taxes to support public schools whether or not you want to for the good of society. Killing an unborn baby will not take away the horrible thing that has happened. It would never be acceptable to kill a 1 year old baby regardless of the reason.

My only exception would be a very young child (8or9) that the life of the child was in question or an etopic pg where the life of the mother was in question. I believe these special cercomstances to be very rare.

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"AlyssaEimers" wrote:

The guy is clearly a nut.

That said, I do think abortion should be illegal even in the case of rape. Before I get all kinds of outcrys let me explain. Raps is a terrible awful experience. I do not think going through another terrible awful experience is the answer. There are many things in life that we did not ask for that we have to do anyway. Pay for taxes for one. We just had a debate that you have to pay taxes to support public schools whether or not you want to for the good of society. Killing an unborn baby will not take away the horrible thing that has happened. It would never be acceptable to kill a 1 year old baby regardless of the reason.

My only exception would be a very young child (8or9) that the life of the child was in question or an etopic pg where the life of the mother was in question. I believe these special cercomstances to be very rare.

I agree with you that all abortion should be illegal except when the life of the mother is in danger. However since I don't think that would ever pass legislation I wouldn't have a problem with letting them include that reason since that is only 1% of abortions. Think of all the other babies that would be saved.

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"AlyssaEimers" wrote:

The guy is clearly a nut.

That said, I do think abortion should be illegal even in the case of rape. Before I get all kinds of outcrys let me explain. Raps is a terrible awful experience. I do not think going through another terrible awful experience is the answer. There are many things in life that we did not ask for that we have to do anyway. Pay for taxes for one. We just had a debate that you have to pay taxes to support public schools whether or not you want to for the good of society. Killing an unborn baby will not take away the horrible thing that has happened. It would never be acceptable to kill a 1 year old baby regardless of the reason.

My only exception would be a very young child (8or9) that the life of the child was in question or an etopic pg where the life of the mother was in question. I believe these special cercomstances to be very rare.

Are you kidding me? You're comparing rape, carrying the resulting fetus to term and the decision of adoption or raising a child to paying taxes?

I don't carry an emotional albatross over paying taxes. I choose to get a job. In the case of rape, not only did I not choose to have sex, I didn't choose to get pregnant.

Exactly how many decisions do other people get to make when it comes to the reproduction rights?

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"ethanwinfield" wrote:

Are you kidding me? You're comparing rape, carrying the resulting fetus to term and the decision of adoption or raising a child to paying taxes?

I don't carry an emotional albatross over paying taxes. I choose to get a job. In the case of rape, not only did I not choose to have sex, I didn't choose to get pregnant.

Exactly how many decisions do other people get to make when it comes to the reproduction rights?

Why should an innocent child be condemned to death due to the actions of his/her father?

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"GloriaInTX" wrote:

I agree with you that all abortion should be illegal except when the life of the mother is in danger. However since I don't think that would ever pass legislation I wouldn't have a problem with letting them include that reason since that is only 1% of abortions. Think of all the other babies that would be saved.

We will never know the true number. Rape is one of the most under-reported crimes.

How can you be okay with aborting a fetus conceived from rape? How are you willing to allow even 1 out of 100 (if those numbers are accurate) to be aborted? Is that where you stand on issues in your life or on crime?

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"ethanwinfield" wrote:

We will never know the true number. Rape is one of the most under-reported crimes.

How can you be okay with aborting a fetus conceived from rape? How are you willing to allow even 1 out of 100 (if those numbers are accurate) to be aborted? Is that where you stand on issues in your life or on crime?

I didn't say I was ok with it. I said if it meant that if 99 children would live that is better than the 100 children that are killed right now.

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"GloriaInTX" wrote:

I agree with you that all abortion should be illegal except when the life of the mother is in danger. However since I don't think that would ever pass legislation I wouldn't have a problem with letting them include that reason since that is only 1% of abortions. Think of all the other babies that would be saved.

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Why should an innocent child be condemned to death due to the actions of his/her father?

I guess I just don't understand your position.

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"GloriaInTX" wrote:

I didn't say I was ok with it. I said if it meant that if 99 children would live that is better than the 100 children that are killed right now.

Again, I'm confused. The "100" would be 100%?

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"ethanwinfield" wrote:

Again, I'm confused. The "100" would be 100%?

Yes. 99 of every 100 children that are killed right this minute are killed for reasons other than rape. So to save those 99 children I would be willing to allow rape to be included even though I don't agree it should be a valid reason.

ETA: That doesn't mean I would stop advocating that rape shouldn't be included as a reason. Just that would be a step in the right direction.

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I am not saying having to pay taxes is as bad as tape. I am saying there are some thing in life you have to do that you don't want to or don't like.

I do agree some abortion reform is better than no abortion reform.

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"AlyssaEimers" wrote:

The guy is clearly a nut.

That said, I do think abortion should be illegal even in the case of rape. Before I get all kinds of outcrys let me explain. Raps is a terrible awful experience. I do not think going through another terrible awful experience is the answer. There are many things in life that we did not ask for that we have to do anyway. Pay for taxes for one. We just had a debate that you have to pay taxes to support public schools whether or not you want to for the good of society. Killing an unborn baby will not take away the horrible thing that has happened. It would never be acceptable to kill a 1 year old baby regardless of the reason.

My only exception would be a very young child (8or9) that the life of the child was in question or an etopic pg where the life of the mother was in question. I believe these special cercomstances to be very rare.

You're assuming that an abortion is more traumatic to the rape victim than carrying her rapist's baby for 9 months and then deciding whether to keep it or give it away, and having everyone ask her about it all the time, and know that the baby in her body wouldn't be there if she hadn't been raped? That sounds pretty awful to me....

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At least he admitted his mistake and apoligized.

Akin apologized Monday for what he called a serious error in using the wrong words when he stated in an earlier interview that "legitimate rape" rarely resulted in pregnancy.

"I was talking about forcible rape," Akin said on former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee's radio show. "It was absolutely the wrong word."

In a statement Sunday, Akin wrote that he misspoke in the interview. He maintained his opposition to abortion for victims of rape.

"In reviewing my off-the-cuff remarks, it's clear that I misspoke in this interview and it does not reflect the deep empathy I hold for the thousands of women who are raped and abused every year," Akin wrote. "Those who perpetrate these crimes are the lowest of the low in our society and their victims will have no stronger advocate in the Senate to help ensure they have the justice they deserve."

Akin continued that he recognized that abortion, "and particularly in the case of rape, is a very emotionally charged issue."

"But I believe deeply in the protection of all life and I do not believe that harming another innocent victim is the right course of action," he said. "I also recognize that there are those who, like my opponent, support abortion and I understand I may not have their support in this election."

Statistics on pregnancies that result from rape are difficult to produce, since rape is a crime that often goes unreported.

The Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network, along with Planned Parenthood, each estimate that 5% of rapes lead to pregnancy. A 1996 study from the Medical University of South Carolina found the same percentage, adding that 32,101 pregnancies occurred annually from rape.

Akin remark puts abortion at center of campaign debate - CNN.com

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That apology is a well-crafted statement courtesy of Akin's spin doctors. To even utter the statement in the first place makes me think he sees absolutely nothing wrong with what he said and apologizing would've been the last thing on his mind were it not blatantly pointed out to him that he just inserted foot A into mouth B. Mouth A being his a$$. That apology has Legal Team written all over it.

Further to say he has 'empathy' for rape victims is a slap in the face. How could an aging male politician have the slightest clue what it would be like to be raped. Compassion, possibly. Maybe even sympathy. But heck no, not empathy. How egotistical.

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"Claire'sMommy" wrote:

You guys sure have some whackadoodle politicians.

A fan of "Corner Gas"??

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"AlyssaEimers" wrote:

Killing an unborn baby will not take away the horrible thing that has happened.

I can understand your reasoning here. Having survived 3 different sexual assaults (11, 17 and 29 years old) I can say that it is a horrible experience. I was offered the morning after pill when I was 29 but told them I didn't think there was a need as I was on BCP and very good at taking them regularly. I did not become pregnant any of the times but I have had friends in that situation. My friends all decided to go through with the pregnancy. Some placed the baby (or babies - one friend had a set of b/g twins) for adoption, some parented. All said that the process of having the baby helped them heal. I know having the rape kit taken was hard enough, I could not have imagined having to go through a d&c a few weeks later.

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All rape is forcible! If it was not forced then it would consensual sex. When I was raped at 29 it was an ex-boyfriend, I fought back a lot the 1st time, the second time a little bit and the 3rd time I just lay there crying. It was too much for me to even move after that hour of being assaulted.

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"mom2robbie" wrote:

A fan of "Corner Gas"??

I swear I have never seen that show before. I say lots of weird things, like kerfuffle and jeepers and crikey. I correspond all day with our US entities and they're always like "Lisa, you talk so weird." And then when we actually talk on the phone they say to me "Oh, I just love your accent." Accent? What accent?

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"Claire'sMommy" wrote:

I swear I have never seen that show before. I say lots of weird things, like kerfuffle and jeepers and crikey. I correspond all day with our US entities and they're always like "Lisa, you talk so weird." And then when we actually talk on the phone they say to me "Oh, I just love your accent." Accent? What accent?

Of course we don't have an accent! We're Canadians. I used to do tech support and I had a guy ask me how long it took me to learn English as I spoke it so well. I was confused and said I have spoken English since birth. He said that is why I must not have an accent that I almost sounded Canadian. Told him I was Canadian and he got all embarrassed - he thought he had an agent from India.

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Yeah, the problem with this apology is twofold: If the word he meant was "forcible" and the word he used was "legitimate", that shows a lot about his prejedices about rape. It's not really rape unless the guy holds you down at knife point. Second of all, whichever word he uses, he is factually incorrect, which his apology doesn't even mention. He is spreading misinformation about rape and pregnancy and that paints the picture that if a woman is having an abortion, it must not have really been rape or else her body would have put a stop to it. I don't want him to say "I misspoke" I want him to say "I was wrong, like factually incorrect, when I said that." Otherwise it feels like not much of an apology at all.

I agree with ethanwinfield. Being forced to carry a child against my will would be a worse violation following a rape than having the choice given back to me over my own body to carry or not carry in accordance to my own conscience.

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"Alissa_Sal" wrote:

Yeah, the problem with this apology is twofold: If the word he meant was "forcible" and the word he used was "legitimate", that shows a lot about his prejedices about rape. It's not really rape unless the guy holds you down at knife point. Second of all, whichever word he uses, he is factually incorrect, which his apology doesn't even mention. He is spreading misinformation about rape and pregnancy and that paints the picture that if a woman is having an abortion, it must not have really been rape or else her body would have put a stop to it. I don't want him to say "I misspoke" I want him to say "I was wrong, like factually incorrect, when I said that." Otherwise it feels like not much of an apology at all.

I agree with ethanwinfield. Being forced to carry a child against my will would be a worse violation following a rape than having the choice given back to me over my own body to carry or not carry in accordance to my own conscience.

I agree. The insinuation that it's the woman's reaction to the attack that makes it 'legitimate' or 'illegitimate' just makes me want to puke. That if it's date rape - not really rape. Or if the woman is drugged - not rape because she couldn't say 'no'. Oh, but beaten and bloodied at gunpoint and having your vagina ripped open - that's 'real' rape.

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"mom2robbie" wrote:

All rape is forcible! If it was not forced then it would consensual sex. When I was raped at 29 it was an ex-boyfriend, I fought back a lot the 1st time, the second time a little bit and the 3rd time I just lay there crying. It was too much for me to even move after that hour of being assaulted.

I am so very sorry for your experience. :bigarmhug:

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"mom2robbie" wrote:

All rape is forcible! If it was not forced then it would consensual sex. When I was raped at 29 it was an ex-boyfriend, I fought back a lot the 1st time, the second time a little bit and the 3rd time I just lay there crying. It was too much for me to even move after that hour of being assaulted.

Sad :( Sad