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    Default Lesbian kicked out of college, and charged $6,000 for it.

    Danielle Powell was going through a hard time in the spring of 2011, just months away from graduating from a conservative Christian college in Nebraska. She had fallen in love with another woman, a strictly forbidden relationship at a school where even prolonged hugs were banned.
    Powell said she was working at a civil rights foundation in Mississippi to finish her psychology degree when she was called back to Grace University in Omaha and confronted about the relationship. She was eventually expelled ? then sent a bill for $6,000 to reimburse what the school said were federal loans and grants that needed to be repaid because she didn't finish the semester.
    Powell is now fighting the Omaha school, arguing that her tuition was covered by scholarships and that federal loans wouldn't need to be repaid in that amount. She also notes she was kicked out even after undergoing months of counseling, spiritual training and mentoring insisted upon by the school following her initial suspension.
    "I shouldn't have this debt hanging over me from a school that clearly didn't want me," the 24-year-old said.
    The university insists that the $6,000 bill covers federal grants and loans that, by law, must be repaid to the federal government because Powell didn't finish her final semester. School officials declined to discuss specifics of Powell's case, citing federal student privacy laws, but through a public relations agency said it would provide Powell official transcripts and transfer her credits.
    Powell is skeptical. She noted that nine months after she was expelled in January 2012, the registrar's office denied her request for her transcripts because of the bill, though she eventually received student copies of her transcripts.
    Grace University's code of conduct for its students is strict: No kissing, no prolonged hugs and certainly no premarital sex. The school even monitors students' television habits, forbidding HBO, MTV, Comedy Central and several other channels "because of the values they promote." The rules are laid out in a student handbook and signed by students every year.
    "No one was more surprised than me," Powell recalled of her relationship. "I had been very religious since I was a small child, and that did not fit in with what I thought I believed."
    It's not unusual to see gay and lesbian students disciplined or even expelled from private Bible- and faith-based colleges, but Powell's case is unusual, said Ken Upton, an attorney at Lambda Legal. The national civil rights organization helps gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people.
    "This particular case is unusual because there's this fear that they might not release her information and they are demanding payback," Upton said. "We don't see that very often. Usually, the school's just glad to be rid of them."
    In response to questions about the case from The Associated Press that included Powell's financial aid letter, the U.S. Department of Education said in an email Friday that the issue of whether Powell owes money is between her and the school ? but "it's not at all because of federal rules."


    So if the U.S. Department of Education says that the $6,000 is "not at all because of federal rules," then do you think the college has any right to bill Danielle for it, since the college chose to kick her out, even after she did the counseling, spiritual training, and mentoring that they asked her to do? Should a college that accepts federal financial aid be able to require its students abide by morality clauses that would otherwise be illegal to enforce?
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    I am not sure what the federal guidelines are for payback, so that one I am not sure about. But I think all colleges have some rules that are non-negotiable. The state school I went to certainly did, I knew what they were when I signed up and knew that if I broke the rules I could get kicked out. DH went to USC and they had even more rules. If this girl knew her relationship could result in her expulsion then she should not act outraged.
    I also know a lot of colleges will hold transcripts if bill are not paid. The high school I went to held diplomas if money was owed. Pretty standard operating procedure
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    One conservative Christian school doesn't allow ANY sexual relationships.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    One conservative Christian school doesn't allow ANY sexual relationships.
    But should they be able to accept federal student financial aid with those restrictions? They have no way to legally enforce that, because it's against the law to regulate anyone's otherwise-legal sexual activity even on a college campus. If the behavior for which they want to kick the student out is not violating any laws, then why should the student be liable for repaying their student loans immediately? It's not the same as simply dropping out because you've decided to take your chances in the business world or because you've decided you just can't handle school. The school kicked you out for something that, in any other realm -- employment, renting an apartment, signing a business contract -- they would not be able to enforce but they are trying to enforce here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    But should they be able to accept federal student financial aid with those restrictions? They have no way to legally enforce that, because it's against the law to regulate anyone's otherwise-legal sexual activity even on a college campus. If the behavior for which they want to kick the student out is not violating any laws, then why should the student be liable for repaying their student loans immediately? It's not the same as simply dropping out because you've decided to take your chances in the business world or because you've decided you just can't handle school. The school kicked you out for something that, in any other realm -- employment, renting an apartment, signing a business contract -- they would not be able to enforce but they are trying to enforce here.

    All colleges have rules that are not legal outside of campus, and they still receive federal funding. I get that you dont like this school, or the reason she was kicked out. But she knew what she signed up for
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    Quote Originally Posted by mom3girls View Post
    All colleges have rules that are not legal outside of campus, and they still receive federal funding. I get that you dont like this school, or the reason she was kicked out. But she knew what she signed up for
    Totally agree..
    and on a side note why would she want to attend a conservative Christian college if she is homosexual or bi or even sexual active anyway?
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    I would suspect that she didnt identify as homosexual and wasnt sexually active when she started college.

    I dont have a problem with her being kicked out for breaking the rules, it is the fact that they are now hitting her with a bill for federal funding and that bill is preventing her from accessing her transcripts that I have a problem with. Fine they dont want her there, I'm sure she doesnt really want to be there either, but figured since she only had a semester left she could put up with it. But holding back her transcripts prevents her from finishing her education at a different college, which I think is wrong. Plus, if the federal funding does not come with a no homosexual/sexual activity clause then I think the school should have to eat the cost of that funding. They were the ones who decided to discontinue her education with them, not the student.
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    I think it's weird that they want to charge her for tuition that covers the time she was suspended. That seems unfair.
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    They are charging her for a term that she started and then didnt finish. The college has guidelines for drop dates and what you pay. I had to repay my school after a dropped a class to late.
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    I dropped out of school about a month into the semester and had to pay for the entire semester, it was sickening. To me that stuff should have clear rules and guidelines around it- I know it did for me. She either owes it legally or doesn't - her being a lesbian has nothing to do with it.

    As to why she went there perhaps she was trying so so hard to "change" herself from the way God made her but she failed. Poor thing now not only had to come out to her college, get kicked out (love that Christian love!!!) and now is being "outed" to the whole country. My heart goes out to her.

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