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    Kicking someone out because they didn't follow the rules isn't hatred or bigotry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    I think that many people have a hard time understanding an environment such as the one at this college or ones like it. It seems SO steeped in fear as to be cultish, and there is a generally wide spread aversion or distrust of cults, wouldn't you agree?
    Actually I wouldn't. I don't think going to school and wanting to be around people who have the same general beliefs as you do is cultish. If so that would include MANY Christian colleges. I went to a Christian University and we were required to attend Chapel every day. There are plenty of schools that are the same.
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    You really don't see how many people could consider prohibiting hugging or hand holding or forming any sort of relationship as cultish? It's certainly highly abnormal behavior to require of 20 year olds, no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    You really don't see how many people could consider prohibiting hugging or hand holding or forming any sort of relationship as cultish? It's certainly highly abnormal behavior to require of 20 year olds, no?
    No I don't. Almost every Christian school has rules prohibiting those behaviors in public. It would be pretty hard to enforce those rules in private what are the students going to go to the school and confess? There are no rules against forming relationships, just premarital sex. I don't think that is highly abnormal for a Christian school to say no sex outside of marriage.

    Grace University's moral stance isn't that unusual - Omaha.com

    Grace University in Omaha, Neb., expelled former student Danielle Powell last spring after a yearlong restoration period. The school discovered Powell’s same-sex relationship in early 2011 and began the same probation process that all students face if they break the student code, which covers academics and behavior.

    “Any sexual activity outside of marriage is prohibited,” Michael James, the school’s executive vice president, told WORLD.

    James said that all students understand the policy, since all students receive the handbook and sign a statement saying they agree to live by the guidelines. If students break those rules, they face probation and possibly a “judiciary hearing” made up of faculty and students who discuss the case.

    “This situation has been handled no differently than any other violation of our code of conduct,” James said. “It’s a situation where the rules were very clear, the consequences were very clear, and everything has played out as the policy said it should. There are no surprises here.”

    Powell had finished less than 60 percent of the semester when probation began. According to Title IV government requirements, when a student withdraws before that mark, the school must return government scholarship money. For Powell, that means she has an outstanding $6,300 to pay for spring 2011. James said the school doesn’t use collection agencies—it sends a letter every six months asking the student to pay: “There are no other repercussions for the student.”

    According to The Huffington Post, the school asked Powell “why she did what she did and whether she was remorseful.” The article added that “Powell said that the university told her she could participate in a restoration program, involving counseling and regular church attendance, to get readmitted.”

    She began that process in the summer of 2011, but shortly before the start of the spring 2012 semester, Grace expelled her because she was still dating women.

    “Our goal is to restore all our students to the body of Christ,” James said. “Fundamental to that restoration is recognition and repentance of sin. If they don’t acknowledge that, we can’t restore them to our community.”

    In the year since Grace expelled Powell, she has married Michelle Rogers and wants to finish her degree. The Huffington Post reported that the school refused transcripts until she paid, but James denies those allegations: “The letter that they referred to in [the article] clearly stated that we were clearly willing to provide transcripts and help the student transfer to another university.”
    WORLD | Grace University offers reconciliation to lesbian student | Aimee Stauf | June 13, 2013
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    I read the student handbook. No dancing. Internet and tv use is monitored. Extremely restrictive dress code. No hand holding, back runs, kissing etc.no dancing drinking tobacco . Students are encouraged to report on one another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    I read the student handbook. No dancing. Internet and tv use is monitored. Extremely restrictive dress code. No hand holding, back runs, kissing etc.no dancing drinking tobacco . Students are encouraged to report on one another.
    I guess you haven't been around many Christian schools if you think that is abnormal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    I guess you haven't been around many Christian schools if you think that is abnormal.
    well, my sister went to messiah college and I visited her there often. It's a well respected school and nothing like that. Ditto wheaten which is probably the bast Christian college in the country - I spent a weekend there and had many friends attend . Calvin was practically a party school compared to the other two. So yes, I have experienced enough to know that not all are cultish like Grace. None of those three require anything like daily chapel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    well, my sister went to messiah college and I visited her there often. It's a well respected school and nothing like that. Ditto wheaten which is probably the bast Christian college in the country - I spent a weekend there and had many friends attend . Calvin was practically a party school compared to the other two. So yes, I have experienced enough to know that not all are cultish like Grace. None of those three require anything like daily chapel.
    Do you mean this Messiah college? I guess you see what you want to see.
    http://www.messiah.edu/offices/stude...tyCovenant.pdf
    Gay student to transfer out, says Messiah College proved poor fit | PennLive.com
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    Eta: sorry I am posting from the stair climber and misread
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    Of course they don't accept or condone homosexuality- I'm not saying they are great places- they are sadly still bigoted - I'm simply pointing out that not all Christian colleges are little freaky cult like places where they minister your tv usage, ban dancing, have strict dress codes and make you attend chapel every day, or make men and women walk on different sidewalks. I think grace is like a weird little cult, as I described. I don't think messiah or wheaten are that way, though obviously I disagree with their policy on gay students. I know that many students had a relatively "normal" college experience there. Not sure what you are really trying to prove as I witnessed first hand.

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