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    Is it possible to protect your privacy? | Hot Topics | an SFGate.com blog

    This blog from the S.F. Chronicle has links to lots of stories about how Americans are being watched more than ever, information about how we have all handed over elements of our personal privacy that just a few years ago were taken for granted, and a few ideas about ways we might take some of it back.

    Discuss. I'm off to soccer practice but will be back later to add my own comments.
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    I'm not outraged (In fact, I feel for the person who has to look through my phone calls and texts).....but yes, this is an example of wild hypocrisy on part of Obama and his administration. Bush started it, for shiz, but this is egregious. Again, I have nothing to hide and I don't personally feel outraged, but it is funny,

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    I can't get worked up about it. I'm not a very private person...I would pretty much let any one of my friends (or my husband, of course) open up my personal email and read it if they cared. I don't air my "dirty laundry" on FB, email, or any other method of technology in general. I mean if they were taking my texts and posting them on CNN for the world to read, of course I wouldn't be happy about that, but I don't think anyone is particularly interested in reading anything I have to write. (probably on here as well, ha ha) I agree with this part of the article you posted:

    That’s the nature of data-mining: You collect reams of information, most of it goes unused and the anomalies get put under the microscope for the putative aim of fighting terrorism, as President Obama reminded us in a defensive speech delivered in San Jose today.
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    I agree with Melissa, but I don't find any of it surprising in the least. You can't be on the web, be using your phone, etc., and have any expectation of true privacy. I don't actually do anything that would be of interest to anybody in that sense, so I don't worry about it for my own personal sake, but obviously if you are going to engage in communication in ways other than verbal & in person, if you're going to buy things with cards instead of cash, have a bank account, use the web, have a cell phone, etc. then you are exposing yourself.

    We live in a culture in which people voluntarily give up mountains of information about themselves in social media, and think they have some sort of control there, which of course they do not.

    I know people who avoid any sort of loyalty programs with companies or using credit cards because they know all of that information is being tracked. Of course it is. It all is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    I know people who avoid any sort of loyalty programs with companies or using credit cards because they know all of that information is being tracked. Of course it is. It all is.
    I just don't get this mindset. If Kroger, or Walgreens, or whomever, wants to see what I buy...more power to them. Yes, it is annoying that you need to have a card to get the price that the product should be in the first place, but that's the way they get their data. And with a husband who is a statistician in the marketing field, it just makes sense to me that this type of data is used primarily for marketing purposes. I just can't comprehend being so private that I would go to those measures so that a company won't know what I buy. What's the point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SID081108 View Post
    I just don't get this mindset. If Kroger, or Walgreens, or whomever, wants to see what I buy...more power to them. Yes, it is annoying that you need to have a card to get the price that the product should be in the first place, but that's the way they get their data. And with a husband who is a statistician in the marketing field, it just makes sense to me that this type of data is used primarily for marketing purposes. I just can't comprehend being so private that I would go to those measures so that a company won't know what I buy. What's the point?
    Well I think it's a matter of principle. And I get it. I don't care that much, myself, but I can understand not wanting to be tracked that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    Well I think it's a matter of principle. And I get it. I don't care that much, myself, but I can understand not wanting to be tracked that way.
    I HATE those grocery cards. It wasn't a matter of being tracked, it was a matter of having to carry a thousand cards to have a card for each store that I go into. And they would jack the prices up so if you didn't have their reward card you actually had to pay extra.
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    I actually love the grocery cards. At the store that we shop at the most I have a key tag on my key ring, but don't even have to use that, I can just enter my phone number. They have a gas points rewards program, so I get money off my gas at this gas station that they have a relationship with right nearby ~ because I spend so much on groceries I end up getting like .80 off my gas most times I fill up, a HUGE savings when you drive a car as huge as mine. Its made me shop exclusively at that store as the rewards are so great.

    At all of the stores in my area though if you say you don't have your card they just enter the store card, so its not like you have to have a personal one to still get the discounts, are they not that way where you guys live?

    I can't even fathom not using credit cards. We get SO MUCH free stuff (vacations, flights, hotels etc) because of our credit cards. It would be like throwing away money out of paranoia. Literally, I just don't get it. I can't even fathom how it would work. How would you book a flight?

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    Our local grocery store card doesn't give you discounts, but after a certain amount of purchases you get $5 off. Other ones we have give you discounts, which are pretty good deals. The gas thing doesn't do much for me as I almost never drive.

    The only people I know who almost never use credit cards are my in-laws, who don't buy flights. She doesn't fly. (I actually know a handful of people who NEVER fly, it boggles my mind!)

    I tend to prefer cards to cash just so I don't have to carry around a lot of cash, plus if you lose a card, you cancel it and get your money back. If you lose cash, you're out of luck.

    But I do get it....I get not wanting to be part of the machine.
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    I can books flights with my debit card, I order things online with it, rent a car with it. I've never in my life needed a credit card. I'd personally rather that everyone just pay lower prices to begin with, rather than have some people get things for free because they use those cards enough, and I'd rather not have people racking up bills they can't pay and then declaring bankruptcy which means that all of us pick it up, too. That's what I don't get. With the exceptions of big things like cars & houses, if you don't have the money, don't buy it. Although after the fiasco I went through needing to finance a car last year, now that I've bumped my credit score up by making car payments every month, I'm more interested in maintaining my credit score. I never realized that "zero credit" was worse than bad credit!

    I do most of my grocery shopping at Trader Joe's but there are things I do have to get at Lucky because TJ's doesn't carry things like the food the cat will eat, diapers, zipper baggies, or Best Foods mayo, so I do use the rewards card when I shop there. I just key in the fake phone number I use for all rewards programs. I do have to swipe the card when I buy gasoline, but none of the other rewards programs needs a card at all.

    Also, I love using my debit card because I can keep better track of where our money goes. One month DH made $800 in cash withdrawals and had receipts for only $125 of it, so I started making him use his debit card more, too. And if the government find something suspicious in our shopping patterns, then they'll look more closely and see that we're not a problem, and move on to the next suspicious thing, and hopefully catch the next terrorist before they accomplish their goal.
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