List of LGBT friendly churches from a college?

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List of LGBT friendly churches from a college?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08/15/north-carolina-university-puts-out-list-gay-friendly-churches/

Do you think that this is a service that schools should provide, a waste of taxpayer/student money, or something in between?

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If they are providing other lists of helpful information for their students to get settled into life in the community, like cheap restaurants or laundromats close to off-campus housing, then sure, I have no problem with them putting out a list of gay-friendly churches in the area. If this is the only list they've compiled, it seems odd but not really a waste of resources. I actually think it's a good use of resources because students who feel connected to their community, whether that community is religious or gay or both, will likely be better students.

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The article is a little muddy on this point, but I *think* that this list was put out by the LGBT office. That's like, the whole point of the LGBT office, to provide resources and support to LGBT students. I honestly think that the guy that raised the red flag on this (Adams) has a chip on his shoulder and it sounds like he just has a problem with the LGBT Alliance in general. From the article:



Travis Barham, who worked on the Georgia case as part of the conservative Alliance Defense Fund, which has defended Adams in a court battle with the university over a promotion he claims he was wrongly denied, said he's not sure whether the University of North Carolina Wilmington is in danger of a similar violation.

But Barham questioned whether it was appropriate for the university to put out such a guide.

"Whether they're promoting denominations or whether they're promoting individual churches ... that's not the business of a university," Barham said.

Adams, who wrote about the church guide in an online column Monday, has previously called for the abolition of the LGBT group as well as several other identity-related groups on campus. He said the university guide probably has not crossed the legal line, but the university should stop distributing it anyway.

Because the Alliance Defense Fund (http://www.alliancedefensefund.org/) was involved in Adams' lawsuit about his own promotion, I am assuming that it had something to do with him talking about religion in his classes.

I'm guessing that his angle is that if he can't recommend churches in his classroom, the LGBT shouldn't be recommending churches (particularly ones that go against his own ideology) either. I disagree though, since the LGBT is an extracurricular at the college. I am guessing that the college probably also has some sort of Christian club that is also allowed to talk religion, (not to mention a Jewish club, et cetera.) I know that my university had all sorts of religious coalitions on campus, which was totally fine - that is different than a teacher preaching their own religion in class IMO.

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"Spacers" wrote:

If they are providing other lists of helpful information for their students to get settled into life in the community, like cheap restaurants or laundromats close to off-campus housing, then sure, I have no problem with them putting out a list of gay-friendly churches in the area. If this is the only list they've compiled, it seems odd but not really a waste of resources. I actually think it's a good use of resources because students who feel connected to their community, whether that community is religious or gay or both, will likely be better students.

This.

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I fail to see how anything helpful can be a waste of taxpayers' money?

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I don't see a problem with it since it was included in a list of local resources. It isn't like they did a list that was just churches.

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This whole thing is laughable. Would he be pissed at a list of churhes put out by the Hispanic Student Union of churches who have mass in Spanish? Or which Jewish Congregations embrace interfaith families?

The fact is religion is about messages and morals and codesof which to live your life. Each religion sees it differently and each house of worship does as well. So I don't see what is so wrong with calling a spade a spade and coming out and saying it. if a church embraces a message against gay rights and against being gay, I think people deserve to know that. And if a church has a problem with someone making that known then maybe it's because they know they are wrong or why else would they object?

The only thing I would question is how they decided what churches were "gay friendly".

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I don't see a problem with it at all. I do wonder, like culturedmom asked, how they know what churches are "gay friendly?" I often wonder about these churches, and if they actually teach from the Bible? Are they certain denominations? I only ask because technically in the bible it clearly says that homosexuality is an abomination in the eyes of God, and I wonder how they can feel comfortable going to a church that teaches out of the Bible when it says something like that? Or are they choosing which parts of the Bible they agree with and which parts they choose to ignore? I'm Christian (nondenominational), and although I don't necessarily agree with their lifestyles personally, I have no problem with the GLTB community having all of the rights and freedoms that the rest of us do, because we're all human and deserve that. My chuch welcomes people from all walks of life, including gays, but that doesn't mean that they're going to chop up the Bible and only talk about the parts they think should be talked about.

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"Starryblue702" wrote:

I don't see a problem with it at all. I do wonder, like culturedmom asked, how they know what churches are "gay friendly?" I often wonder about these churches, and if they actually teach from the Bible? Are they certain denominations? I only ask because technically in the bible it clearly says that homosexuality is an abomination in the eyes of God, and I wonder how they can feel comfortable going to a church that teaches out of the Bible when it says something like that? Or are they choosing which parts of the Bible they agree with and which parts they choose to ignore? I'm Christian (nondenominational), and although I don't necessarily agree with their lifestyles personally, I have no problem with the GLTB community having all of the rights and freedoms that the rest of us do, because we're all human and deserve that. My chuch welcomes people from all walks of life, including gays, but that doesn't mean that they're going to chop up the Bible and only talk about the parts they think should be talked about.

So are you saying that you follow the direct word of the Bible to the letter? Completely?

In my opinion, only G-d knows what He really meant. The minute man started reading and writing the Bible/Torah it strayed from true meaning into interpretation. You no more or less interpret the Bible then anyone else, IMO.

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"Starryblue702" wrote:

My chuch welcomes people from all walks of life, including gays, but that doesn't mean that they're going to chop up the Bible and only talk about the parts they think should be talked about.

So by "welcomes them" do you mean that they preach that they are an abomination and living in sin and going to hell? That sort of thing? Or do they actually welcome them and practice the whole "Judge not lest you be judged" as very clearly stated in the Bible?

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"culturedmom" wrote:

So are you saying that you follow the direct word of the Bible to the letter? Completely?

In my opinion, only G-d knows what He really meant. The minute man started reading and writing the Bible/Torah it strayed from true meaning into interpretation. You no more or less interpret the Bible then anyone else, IMO.

I try to live by what what the Bible says. Obviously no one is perfect, and I certainly don't judge anyone... as I said before I believe that the LGTB community deserves all of the rights that everyone else has. I do believe, though, that God wouldn't let his word be mangled by man (He is bigger than we are and is in control of everything).

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So by "welcomes them" do you mean that they preach that they are an abomination and living in sin and going to hell? That sort of thing? Or do they actually welcome them and practice the whole "Judge not lest you be judged" as very clearly stated in the Bible?

My pastor has never said anything like that. The Bible says that it's a sin, no different than any other sin we all do every day, so if he happens to talk on the subject he's not going to sugar coat what the Bible says, or chop it up to make anyone happy or feel better about themselves. It says what it says and he sticks to that. That being said, ANYONE AND EVERYONE is welcome at my chuch, and even if someone that was gay attended the service and introduced themselves to the pastor as such, there would be zero judgement.

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I do believe, though, that God wouldn't let his word be mangled by man (He is bigger than we are and is in control of everything).

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So were the Spanish Inquisition or the Crusades God's word, or God's word being mangled?

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"Starryblue702" wrote:

and even if someone that was gay attended the service and introduced themselves to the pastor as such, there would be zero judgement.

I find that hard to believe.

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"mommytoMR.FACE" wrote:

I find that hard to believe.

Why? My daughter's Sunday School teacher is openly gay and he is very good friends with our pastor's wife.

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"mommytoMR.FACE" wrote:

I find that hard to believe.

Well, that's because you've never been to my church and you obviously view all Christians in the same light. I'm a Christian but I would never judge anyone or their lifestyle, as that's not my place. I can't speak for everyone in my religion (as there are haters in every religion on the planet) but this is not the way I am, which is also a reflection on my church, which is why I go there.

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"Starryblue702" wrote:

Well, that's because you've never been to my church and you obviously view all Christians in the same light. I'm a Christian but I would never judge anyone or their lifestyle, as that's not my place. I can't speak for everyone in my religion (as there are haters in every religion on the planet) but this is not the way I am, which is also a reflection on my church, which is why I go there.

I feel like there is a lot of unsaid judgment, judgments that would not be verbalized. Being religious and following the Bible when the Bible judges certain things are wrong would essentially make you judgmental, no?

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"mommytoMR.FACE" wrote:

I feel like there is a lot of unsaid judgment, judgments that would not be verbalized. Being religious and following the Bible when the Bible judges certain things are wrong would essentially make you judgmental, no?

Well sure, we all "judge" people from time to time. I might think the lady in the row in front of me is a terrible dresser or the lead singer has a scratchy voice. I suppose that would qualify as being judgmental and I think we're all guilty of it, Christian or not. But my church teaches that all sins are equal, no sin greater than another. So my judgmental qualities are no worse than my daughter's teacher's homosexual lifestyle (which yes, I do consider to be sinful in nature).

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"mommytoMR.FACE" wrote:

I feel like there is a lot of unsaid judgment, judgments that would not be verbalized. Being religious and following the Bible when the Bible judges certain things are wrong would essentially make you judgmental, no?

This.

It's one thing to be welcome to attend church, it's a completely different thing to feel welcome to attend church.
It's especially hard to find a GLBT friendly church because of the judgement over the lifestyle. If someone wants to celebrate God why should they have to do that in a place where they're made to feel uncomfortable? I think a list of churches is a great idea so that people can feel comfortable.

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"Alana*sMommy" wrote:

Well sure, we all "judge" people from time to time. I might think the lady in the row in front of me is a terrible dresser or the lead singer has a scratchy voice. I suppose that would qualify as being judgmental and I think we're all guilty of it, Christian or not. But my church teaches that all sins are equal, no sin greater than another. So my judgmental qualities are no worse than my daughter's teacher's homosexual lifestyle (which yes, I do consider to be sinful in nature).

Exactly. There would be no one sitting in church if we tell all the sinners they aren't welcome. I have felt uncomfortable plenty of times when they are teaching about a sin that I know I am guilty of, but it is my own conscience that makes me feel bad, not those around me.

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I don't have any problem at all with people judging. I mean, heck, lots of the people on this very thread have done things that Christians judge against like divorcing, or having children out of wedlock. I've done lots of judge worthy things, and still do!

I just get upset when some take that judgement to the point of depriving others of equal rights. People can judge homosexuals all they want, just like I can judge them for doing so.......but when rights get involved, it is clearly, flatly, no matter what wrong.

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I don't have any problem at all with people judging. I mean, heck, lots of the people on this very thread have done things that Christians judge against like divorcing, or having children out of wedlock. I've done lots of judge worthy things, and still do!

I just get upset when some take that judgement to the point of depriving others of equal rights. People can judge homosexuals all they want, just like I can judge them for doing so.......but when rights get involved, it is clearly, flatly, no matter what wrong.

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"Potter75" wrote:

I don't have any problem at all with people judging. I mean, heck, lots of the people on this very thread have done things that Christians judge against like divorcing, or having children out of wedlock. I've done lots of judge worthy things, and still do!

I just get upset when some take that judgement to the point of depriving others of equal rights. People can judge homosexuals all they want, just like I can judge them for doing so.......but when rights get involved, it is clearly, flatly, no matter what wrong.

I'm still torn on that one. You'll have to keep working on me, lol.

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What is the problem with this? I don't get it. The UU churches need all the bidness they can get, peeps. Seriously. Don't hate.

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I think it is great, both for the students, and churches on both sides of this issue. I disagree that "anything that is helpful" should be funded though. I would like ALL social groups to be funded outside of the tax roles, donations would be great.

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"mommytoMR.FACE" wrote:

I feel like there is a lot of unsaid judgment, judgments that would not be verbalized. Being religious and following the Bible when the Bible judges certain things are wrong would essentially make you judgmental, no?

Well, like the other ladies have said on here, we're all judgemental... it's called human nature. I hate that some people think that Christians are supposed to be all perfect and make no mistakes, just because we try to live a Godly life. I have made pretty much every mistake in the book, just like most of us have. I've cheated, gotten a divorce, gossiped, been jealous of someone or something... it's just called HUMAN NATURE! We each have battles in our own lives, whatever they may be, and won't always make the right decisions. My church teaches that we all face these things on a daily basis, but how to try to overcome them by God's word. I said that all are welcome to attend my church, and it's the truth. They teach directly from the Bible, and it's the truth. I don't agree with a homosexual lifestyle, but will never judge someone for it, as we're all capable of making our own choices, as is our right. That's the absolute plain truth... take it as you will.

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"Starryblue702" wrote:

Well, like the other ladies have said on here, we're all judgemental... it's called human nature. I hate that some people think that Christians are supposed to be all perfect and make no mistakes, just because we try to live a Godly life. I have made pretty much every mistake in the book, just like most of us have. I've cheated, gotten a divorce, gossiped, been jealous of someone or something... it's just called HUMAN NATURE! We each have battles in our own lives, whatever they may be, and won't always make the right decisions. My church teaches that we all face these things on a daily basis, but how to try to overcome them by God's word. I said that all are welcome to attend my church, and it's the truth. They teach directly from the Bible, and it's the truth. I don't agree with a homosexual lifestyle, but will never judge someone for it, as we're all capable of making our own choices, as is our right. That's the absolute plain truth... take it as you will.

I never expect anyone to be perfect and I know what human nature is, but thanks anyway. If you disagree with something, how do you not judge it?

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"mommytoMR.FACE" wrote:

I never expect anyone to be perfect and I know what human nature is, but thanks anyway. If you disagree with something, how do you not judge it?

Because that's two different things. If I asked you to take a taste test of two different sodas and I said that soda A was better and you disagreed, would you judge me, or the soda? One doesn't always have anything to do with the other.

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Sorry to go off on a tangent here, but I just turned on siggies today for the first time in ages, and I'm LMAO at the quote in Robin's. ROFL

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"Spacers" wrote:

Sorry to go off on a tangent here, but I just turned on siggies today for the first time in ages, and I'm LMAO at the quote in Robin's. ROFL

OMG I just saw it. That was pee in your pants funny.

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Aww, I don't know names. Who is Robin?

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