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    The one thing I just can't get past is the use of the verb play. Do you usually "play" with BB guns or air soft guns? I don't associate that word with any type of guns. It just seems to minimize the purpose of any guns really.

    As for the picture, yeah the way he is holding the gun isn't safe. If the girl wiggles at all the gun could go off. There could be a pet at the foot of the chair or a young child.

    And I agree, if that were my X, I would definitely use that against him in court.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boilermaker View Post
    I agree. Classy for sure.

    I also think that all of these guns that "look" like real guns can be very confusing to kids. Sure, this was an airsoft gun and perhaps not terribly dangerous, but how do you teach young children to recognize and know the difference between acceptable guns to have drawn around the family and guns that should not be?

    Were I the mama, I would have done the same thing. Not okay in my book and certainly worth having a chat about IMO.
    This is an excellent point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    The funny think about laws is that you have to abide by them if you do not agree. To reference the abortion debate, I do not agree with abortion but I have to abide by the fact that it is legal and the law says people have the right to have them. The fact of the matter is that it is legal to own and have guns. It might be stupid to hold a child and a gun at the same time, but it is very legal. While I would not personally hold a baby and a gun, I think it can be done responsibly. Think of all the cops out there that have a gun on them. You can't tell me that none of them hold babies?

    Have you seen photos of police officers holding babies and brandishing weapons? I haven't. The guns are holstered and locked.
    The right to own a gun does not give you the right to be irresponsible with the gun. I don't believe that holding a gun and a baby in this manner is "responsible gun ownership". The police obviously agreed as they arrested him.

    Isn't it the gun owners always talking about how "responsible" all gun owners are? So why when we see someone acting in what appears to be an IRResponsible manner, you still make excuses from them.

    We might as well call a spade a spade. The 2nd amendment or bust crew will not argue for any limitations on any guns ever. Not for background checks to screen out criminals or mentally ill people, not for limitations on morons holding guns and squirmy babies......nothing. So as their position is completely not open in any way to actual logical debate or reason, I marvel at the fact that they continue to "debate" the subject. Even the Sandy hook thing proved it. First it was because of drugs and mentally ill kids. Then when Obama tried to address that it she OPPOSED background checks and the problem was the gangs and inner cities. Then single mothers. Its a joke.

    As to abortion.... again, bringing in an unrelated topic to a loaded topic, something I thought you told us all to not do several debates ago? Yes it is legal to have an abortion. It is not legal to have an abortion in the middle of a daycare center, you would be charged with indecency and all sorts of laws. So something being legal does not give it carte blanch, that ought to be obvious, no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    He has the legal right to have a gun. He has a legal right to have a child. I'll give you both of those. There's no stated legal right to hold both at the same time. Common sense says you don't hold them both at the same time. I do believe that is child endangerment, there is an increased risk that something could happen because he's holding both at the same time. Like Alissa said, you rarely hear about these cases when the injury is prevented, only when something bad happens.
    What law is it against? Yes it is stupid, and I think an X would have any right to use it against her spouse in a custody battle, but it is not illegal to have a gun in one hand and a baby in the other. (I will give you stupid, but not illegal)

    Growing up I was never allowed to have toy guns. Not a water gun or any other kind of gun. My mother did not allow them in the house. We had real guns, but not toy guns. She did not want us to mix up the two. While that was our family rule, it is not illegal to have toy guns and many people do.
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    I don't care if it was a paint ball gun, it's still dangerous and can hurt!! Even a hose can be dangerous at high water pressure.

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    I cant get past how bad the picture looks. I cant imagine have a baby and a gun in the same picture.

    DHs uncle is a state cop and a consultant with the FBI, he takes my oldest to the range (she is actually learning to use a high powered bow and arrow) but he is super careful with all weapons when any of my other children are there.
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    The point was made that it's legal for him to hold the gun, and my point was that two completely separate things that are legal don't necessarily mean that the combination of them is legal. Drinking & driving are one example where each thing is legal, but they aren't legal together. But either way, it doesn't have to be illegal to be child endangerment, it just has to be dangerous. Which this was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    The point was made that it's legal for him to hold the gun, and my point was that two completely separate things that are legal don't necessarily mean that the combination of them is legal. Drinking & driving are one example where each thing is legal, but they aren't legal together. But either way, it doesn't have to be illegal to be child endangerment, it just has to be dangerous. Which this was.
    I will agree with you that it was dangerous and stupid, but I do not see where it is illegal. At what age would it become legal then to have both a child and a gun? I went target practicing with my parents at a young age. I am not sure how old, but I would guess starting at age 5? It would have huge ramifications if you were to say you could not have both a gun and a child out at the same time. While this person did not appear to be carefully holding his gun, I do not believe that you can make the blanket statement that it is illegal to hold both a gun and a child at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ethanwinfield View Post
    The one thing I just can't get past is the use of the verb play. Do you usually "play" with BB guns or air soft guns? I don't associate that word with any type of guns. It just seems to minimize the purpose of any guns really.

    As for the picture, yeah the way he is holding the gun isn't safe. If the girl wiggles at all the gun could go off. There could be a pet at the foot of the chair or a young child.

    And I agree, if that were my X, I would definitely use that against him in court.
    I think you are over estimating how easy it is to cause one of these guns to 'go off', especially if the safety is on. And how do you know that how he is holding it is not safe? Maybe he is pointing it in that direction specifically because there was no one in his line of fire.

    And while I probably wouldnt use the word 'play' it doesnt surprise me that others may use that term for target practice if it is something they enjoy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Have you seen photos of police officers holding babies and brandishing weapons? I haven't. The guns are holstered and locked.
    The right to own a gun does not give you the right to be irresponsible with the gun. I don't believe that holding a gun and a baby in this manner is "responsible gun ownership". The police obviously agreed as they arrested him.

    Isn't it the gun owners always talking about how "responsible" all gun owners are? So why when we see someone acting in what appears to be an IRResponsible manner, you still make excuses from them.

    We might as well call a spade a spade. Gloria will not argue for any limitations on any guns ever. Not for background checks to screen out criminals or mentally ill people, not for limitations on morons holding guns and squirmy babies......nothing. So as her position is completely not open in any way to actual logical debate or reason, I marvel at the fact that she continue to "debate" the subject. Even the Sandy hook thing proved it. First it was because of drugs and mentally ill kids. Then when Obama tried to address that it she OPPOSED background checks and the problem was the gangs and inner cities. Then single mothers. Its a joke.

    As to abortion.... again, bringing in an unrelated topic to a loaded topic, something I thought you told us all to not do several debates ago? Yes it is legal to have an abortion. It is not legal to have an abortion in the middle of a daycare center, you would be charged with indecency and all sorts of laws. So something being legal does not give it carte blanch, that ought to be obvious, no?
    Maybe because not everyone sees this as 'irresponsible'. Or at least not that cut and dried.

    BTW, Gloria isnt the only one who thinks this might not be so bad.
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