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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    To clarify, are you talking about a real gun such as a shotgun, to a play gun such as a squirt gun, or a gun that shoots darts, or a gun such as a paint ball gun?

    If you are referring to a real gun such as a shot gun, I would be highly surprised if there was anyone on this board that would not agree with you.
    Why do you think people playing paintball have to get dressed in protective gear and safety glasses? Because paintballs can inflict real injury and very often leave welts and bruises. Can you imagine what would happen if you were shot in the eye at close range with a paintball? You could lose your sight. And, you'd be okay with a 5 year old walking around and aiming one at another child?

    I think the point, though, is that airguns, bb guns, etc. etc. etc., while they aren't weapons designed to kill or be used in self defence, NORMALIZE the presence and use of guns. I don't think it a huge leap to think a child who may or may not understand what a bb gun or airgun is designed for would also pick up a real gun thinking it can be used in the same manner. And we're not talking about Gloria's son, or your kid (general 'you'). Any one person can say "Well, MY kid has been taught how to use the bb gun...." or whatever. That's not the point. We have to think about all guns, real, fake, bb, air, etc. that are part of a kid's everyday life. I would not be willing to bet that every one of them, or even HALF of them have been really educated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    So they just shoot sticky food all over the house? Gross! We like to eat at the table.
    Nah we made them shoot them outside. Biodegradable bullets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClairesMommy View Post
    Why do you think people playing paintball have to get dressed in protective gear and safety glasses? Because paintballs can inflict real injury and very often leave welts and bruises. Can you imagine what would happen if you were shot in the eye at close range with a paintball? You could lose your sight. And, you'd be okay with a 5 year old walking around and aiming one at another child?

    I think the point, though, is that airguns, bb guns, etc. etc. etc., while they aren't weapons designed to kill or be used in self defence, NORMALIZE the presence and use of guns. I don't think it a huge leap to think a child who may or may not understand what a bb gun or airgun is designed for would also pick up a real gun thinking it can be used in the same manner. And we're not talking about Gloria's son, or your kid (general 'you'). Any one person can say "Well, MY kid has been taught how to use the bb gun...." or whatever. That's not the point. We have to think about all guns, real, fake, bb, air, etc. that are part of a kid's everyday life. I would not be willing to bet that every one of them, or even HALF of them have been really educated.
    I was clarifying a statement that if someone saw a 5 year old running around with a gun they would call CPS. What kind of a gun? Would you call CPS on someone that let their child run around with a water gun?

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    I'm in the same boat as Laurie. We don't buy toy guns that look like real guns, but T has a water gun and a little fake lazer shooter thing. I bought the water gun because T and his grandpa (my father) were going back and forth about how they were going to shoot each other with water guns this summer. They have had a few water gun fights, and they both love it. Somebody got him the lazer shooter as a present. Neither one really bothers me that much because he is a sweet non-violent little kid who just likes to be a space ranger sometimes, and douse my dad with water sometimes. I can live with that. He also has a couple of nerf style swords because he likes to pretend that he's a pirate or a knight, and as everyone knows, pirates and knights fight with swords. The rule in our house is that he isn't allowed to hit anyone with the sword, but he can wave it around and yell "en guarde!" if he likes. In the case of play (not in the case of real guns and real swords being used for real violence) I don't see a huge difference between letting a kid play with a toy sword and letting them play with a toy gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClairesMommy View Post
    I think the point, though, is that airguns, bb guns, etc. etc. etc., while they aren't weapons designed to kill or be used in self defence, NORMALIZE the presence and use of guns.
    Yes we do normalize the presence and use of guns. I don't think thats a bad thing. When my kids pick up a toy gun or even a real gun they don't think of it as an object used to kill someone. Just like when the get in a car they don't think of it as an object used to kill someone even though it can be used for that purpose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Yes we do normalize the presence and use of guns. I don't think thats a bad thing. When my kids pick up a toy gun or even a real gun they don't think of it as an object used to kill someone. Just like when the get in a car they don't think of it as an object used to kill someone even though it can be used for that purpose.
    Real guns have one purpose and that is to kill. Cars are designed to travel from A to B. That is what they are designed for. Again, in case you missed it in my last post, we aren't talking about how ONE child (your child) has been educated about guns. We are talking about all children. Would you be willing to put the safety of your children into the hands of another child who has not been taught about guns and is pointing a bb gun at your kid's head? And furthermore, I personally think that young children have no place even being around guns, no matter what they have been taught. Children...guns....I am not cool with those two words being used in the same sentence and that it's all good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClairesMommy View Post
    Real guns have one purpose and that is to kill.
    Wrong. There are 300 million guns in the U.S. that aren't used for killing anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Wrong. There are 300 million guns in the U.S. that aren't used for killing anyone.
    They're not being used for anything else either, except killing stuff or practicing/pretending to kill stuff (target shooting.) It's kind of silly to act like they have other purposes. Like I said before, it's not like they have a dual purpose as paper weights or something. They're pretty specialized to do the one thing that they do, which is propel little pieces of metal into things at very high speeds, and there are really only so many applications for that; killing and pretending to kill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    They're not being used for anything else either, except killing stuff or practicing/pretending to kill stuff (target shooting.) It's kind of silly to act like they have other purposes. Like I said before, it's not like they have a dual purpose as paper weights or something. They're pretty specialized to do the one thing that they do, which is propel little pieces of metal into things at very high speeds, and there are really only so many applications for that; killing and pretending to kill.
    Obvioulsy I disagree. You are associating an emotion with shooting that is not there. If I am shooting at a target or an aluminum can I am not pretending to kill anything. I am trying to hit the spot I am aiming for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Wrong. There are 300 million guns in the U.S. that aren't used for killing anyone.
    Nice choice of the word used.

    There are millions of cars that aren't used for travel from point a to b. That doesn't change what they were designed for. My curling iron and hair brush weren't designed to be microphones yets I sometimes use them for that.

    Sorry but I'll never comprehend play violence really in any form. I just can't see myself prtending to hurt someone. Granted I have taken self-defense classes, but in my mind I still see the non-violent options as my first. But I don't get the impression you mean practicing self-defense as play violence.

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