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    I just wanted to point out that not all places that have a volunteer fire department charge. The town that I grew up in had a volunteer fire department. They were first on the scene when my parents house burnt down. They did not get a bill, instead they got an outpouring of love from the community. There are many fundraisers (dinners, auctions, ect) both there and where we live now as well.

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    I am not sure how the homeowners didnt know. My inlaws have a vacation home in a resort type community, and when they built it they were told since they didnt have a fire dept their homeowners insurance would be substantially more. I would think that the insurance company would be all over that

    If they did know and still didnt buy into the fire dist then they should be billed, it was a chance they took.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    Why would you even think this was a question to ask in the first place? Fire protection is something that anyone living in a populated area should be able to count on. I mean, if he was buying a house out in the hills, I could understand asking, but this is a suburban neighborhood. And if there isn't any fire protection, then it should be in big red letters all over the title papers and it should be a mandatory disclosure as a pre-existing issue on the seller's part, because no one should ever find that out after their house burns down. When you move into an area with a volunteer fire department, it's required notice, so why should *no* fire service be different? And he actually *was* paying a fire tax as part of his property taxes; he found out after the fact that it just didn't go to support fire services in his area. Again, why should the burden be on him to find out what exactly the "fire tax" covered? In a suburban neighborhood, it's supposed to cover your fire department.
    The article says he lives in a rural area. That's exactly what I thought - out in the woods or wherever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    ETA: And welcome to your libertarian paradise! LOL
    This is exactly it. In normal communities this would not even be a possibility. But in the tea party's wet dream...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClairesMommy View Post
    The article says he lives in a rural area. That's exactly what I thought - out in the woods or wherever.
    The article doesn't say that; it says that fire protection in rural areas is a problem, and that's true in pretty much any rural area anywhere. This is an unincorporated neighborhood but I don't get "rural" from that. In the video you can clearly see other houses in the background, and on the map, it's an entire block of street grids roughly two miles square and only four miles from the city. Maybe I just have a different definition of "rural" than other people. To me, that's suburban.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blather View Post
    This is exactly it. In normal communities this would not even be a possibility. But in the tea party's wet dream...
    Oh please. If that is really what you think you have NO idea of what the tea party is about. Show me ANYWHERE that any tea party candidate or spokesman ever said anything like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blather View Post
    This is exactly it. In normal communities this would not even be a possibility. But in the tea party's wet dream...
    I think it has happened many times over the years that Republicans or Conservatives have been accused of not understanding the other side. I think it is true that does happen. In this case I would say the same is true for the other side. If you really think there are many people out there that think that fire serve should not be covered, then you are mistaken.

    Fire service is one area that taxes are designed to cover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    The article doesn't say that; it says that fire protection in rural areas is a problem, and that's true in pretty much any rural area anywhere. This is an unincorporated neighborhood but I don't get "rural" from that. In the video you can clearly see other houses in the background, and on the map, it's an entire block of street grids roughly two miles square and only four miles from the city. Maybe I just have a different definition of "rural" than other people. To me, that's suburban.
    If you looked at a map or a picture of the community our family cabin is in it would look like a neighborhood, but you would not be able to see that it is 45 mins away from any town. I took the article in the OP to mean it was a rural community. I live in a rural community that was only annexed into the county fire dist about 10 years ago. Before that people that lived here knew we were taking our chances with a solely volunteer dept.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mom3girls View Post
    If you looked at a map or a picture of the community our family cabin is in it would look like a neighborhood, but you would not be able to see that it is 45 mins away from any town. I took the article in the OP to mean it was a rural community. I live in a rural community that was only annexed into the county fire dist about 10 years ago. Before that people that lived here knew we were taking our chances with a solely volunteer dept.
    But this is not 45 minutes away from a town, it's four miles away from a city of 100K people.
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    I didn't say Tea Party, I said Libertarian. All of the Libertarians I know think that taxes are theft because a person shouldn't be forced to pay for something (yes, even fire services) that they may not want, and in their perfect world the free market and privatizing all services would take care of it.

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    Governments throughout history have regularly operated on the opposite principle, that the State has the right to dispose of the lives of individuals and the fruits of their labor. Even within the United States, all political parties other than our own grant to government the right to regulate the lives of individuals and seize the fruits of their labor without their consent.


    We, on the contrary, deny the right of any government to do these things, and hold that where governments exist, they must not violate the rights of any individual: namely, (1) the right to life -- accordingly we support the prohibition of the initiation of physical force against others; (2) the right to liberty of speech and action -- accordingly we oppose all attempts by government to abridge the freedom of speech and press, as well as government censorship in any form; and (3) the right to property -- accordingly we oppose all government interference with private property, such as confiscation, nationalization, and eminent domain, and support the prohibition of robbery, trespass, fraud, and misrepresentation.



    Since governments, when instituted, must not violate individual rights, we oppose all interference by government in the areas of voluntary and contractual relations among individuals. People should not be forced to sacrifice their lives and property for the benefit of others. They should be left free by government to deal with one another as free traders; and the resultant economic system, the only one compatible with the protection of individual rights, is the free market.
    I have specifically asked my LP friends "What about fire departments? Police stations? Roads?" I don't think they run on that platform because it's so extreme and would've so unpopular, but more in a "perfect world" kind of scenario, that is what they would want.
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