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    Maybe the question we should be asking is what medication Lanza was on? Do you think that any of these mass killings had anything to do with what medication they were taking?

    Perhaps you?re wondering why this issue of psychiatric medications should be so important.

    As I documented in ?How Evil Works,? it is simply indisputable that most perpetrators of school shootings and similar mass murders in our modern era were either on ? or just recently coming off of ? psychiatric medications:

    ?Columbine mass-killer Eric Harris was taking Luvox ? like Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Effexor and many others, a modern and widely prescribed type of antidepressant drug called selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, or SSRIs. Harris and fellow student Dylan Klebold went on a hellish school shooting rampage in 1999 during which they killed 12 students and a teacher and wounded 24 others before turning their guns on themselves.Luvox manufacturer Solvay Pharmaceuticals concedes that during short-term controlled clinical trials, 4 percent of children and youth taking Luvox ? that?s 1 in 25 ? developed mania, a dangerous and violence-prone mental derangement characterized by extreme excitement and delusion.

    ?Patrick Purdy went on a schoolyard shooting rampage in Stockton, Calif., in 1989, which became the catalyst for the original legislative frenzy to ban ?semiautomatic assault weapons? in California and the nation. The 25-year-old Purdy, who murdered five children and wounded 30, had been on Amitriptyline, an antidepressant, as well as the antipsychotic drug Thorazine.

    ?Kip Kinkel, 15, murdered his parents in 1998 and the next day went to his school, Thurston High in Springfield, Ore., and opened fire on his classmates, killing two and wounding 22 others. He had been prescribed both Prozac and Ritalin.

    ?In 1988, 31-year-old Laurie Dann went on a shooting rampage in a second-grade classroom in Winnetka, Ill., killing one child and wounding six. She had been taking the antidepressant Anafranil as well as Lithium, long used to treat mania.

    ?In Paducah, Ky., in late 1997, 14-year-old Michael Carneal, son of a prominent attorney, traveled to Heath High School and started shooting students in a prayer meeting taking place in the school?s lobby, killing three and leaving another paralyzed. Carneal reportedly was on Ritalin.

    ?In 2005, 16-year-old Native American Jeff Weise, living on Minnesota?s Red Lake Indian Reservation, shot and killed nine people and wounded five others before killing himself. Weise had been taking Prozac.

    ?In another famous case, 47-year-old Joseph T. Wesbecker, just a month after he began taking Prozac in 1989, shot 20 workers at Standard Gravure Corp. in Louisville, Ky., killing nine. Prozac-maker Eli Lilly later settled a lawsuit brought by survivors.

    ?Kurt Danysh, 18, shot his own father to death in 1996, a little more than two weeks after starting on Prozac. Danysh?s description of own his mental-emotional state at the time of the murder is chilling: ?I didn?t realize I did it until after it was done,? Danysh said. ?This might sound weird, but it felt like I had no control of what I was doing, like I was left there just holding a gun.?

    ?John Hinckley, age 25, took four Valium two hours before shooting and almost killing President Ronald Reagan in 1981. In the assassination attempt, Hinckley also wounded press secretary James Brady, Secret Service agent Timothy McCarthy and policeman Thomas Delahanty.

    ?Andrea Yates, in one of the most heartrending crimes in modern history, drowned all five of her children ? aged 7 years down to 6 months ? in a bathtub. Insisting inner voices commanded her to kill her children, she had become increasingly psychotic over the course of several years. At her 2006 murder re-trial (after a 2002 guilty verdict was overturned on appeal), Yates? longtime friend Debbie Holmes testified: ?She asked me if I thought Satan could read her mind and if I believed in demon possession.? And Dr. George Ringholz, after evaluating Yates for two days, recounted an experience she had after the birth of her first child: ?What she described was feeling a presence ? Satan ? telling her to take a knife and stab her son Noah,? Ringholz said, adding that Yates? delusion at the time of the bathtub murders was not only that she had to kill her children to save them, but that Satan had entered her and that she had to be executed in order to kill Satan.Yates had been taking the antidepressant Effexor. In November 2005, more than four years after Yates drowned her children, Effexor manufacturer Wyeth Pharmaceuticals quietly added ?homicidal ideation? to the drug?s list of ?rare adverse events.? The Medical Accountability Network, a private nonprofit focused on medical ethics issues, publicly criticized Wyeth, saying Effexor?s ?homicidal ideation? risk wasn?t well-publicized and that Wyeth failed to send letters to doctors or issue warning labels announcing the change.And what exactly does ?rare? mean in the phrase ?rare adverse events?? The FDA defines it as occurring in less than one in 1,000 people. But since that same year 19.2 million prescriptions for Effexor were filled in the U.S., statistically that means thousands of Americans might experience ?homicidal ideation? ? murderous thoughts ? as a result of taking just this one brand of antidepressant drug.Effexor is Wyeth?s best-selling drug, by the way, which in one recent year brought in over $3 billion in sales, accounting for almost a fifth of the company?s annual revenues.

    ?One more case is instructive, that of 12-year-old Christopher Pittman, who struggled in court to explain why he murdered his grandparents, who had provided the only love and stability he?d ever known in his turbulent life. ?When I was lying in my bed that night,? he testified, ?I couldn?t sleep because my voice in my head kept echoing through my mind telling me to kill them.? Christopher had been angry with his grandfather, who had disciplined him earlier that day for hurting another student during a fight on the school bus. So later that night, he shot both of his grandparents in the head with a .410 shotgun as they slept and then burned down their South Carolina home, where he had lived with them.?I got up, got the gun, and I went upstairs and I pulled the trigger,? he recalled. ?Through the whole thing, it was like watching your favorite TV show. You know what is going to happen, but you can?t do anything to stop it.?Pittman?s lawyers would later argue that the boy had been a victim of ?involuntary intoxication,? since his doctors had him taking the antidepressants Paxil and Zoloft just prior to the murders.Paxil?s known ?adverse drug reactions? ? according to the drug?s FDA-approved label ? include ?mania,? ?insomnia,? ?anxiety,? ?agitation,? ?confusion,? ?amnesia,? ?depression,? ?paranoid reaction,? ?psychosis,? ?hostility,? ?delirium,? ?hallucinations,? ?abnormal thinking,? ?depersonalization? and ?lack of emotion,? among others.The preceding examples are only a few of the best-known offenders who had been taking prescribed psychiatric drugs before committing their violent crimes ? there are many others.

    Whether we like to admit it or not, it is undeniable that when certain people living on the edge of sanity take psychiatric medications, those drugs can ? and occasionally do ? push them over the edge into violent madness. Remember, every single SSRI antidepressant sold in the United States of America today, no matter what brand or manufacturer, bears a ?black box? FDA warning label ? the government?s most serious drug warning ? of ?increased risks of suicidal thinking and behavior, known as suicidality, in young adults ages 18 to 24.? Common sense tells us that where there are suicidal thoughts ? especially in a very, very angry person ? homicidal thoughts may not be far behind. Indeed, the mass shooters we are describing often take their own lives when the police show up, having planned their suicide ahead of time.
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    Hate this one. Perfect way to even throw more of a stigma at people with mental illness. It's bad enough to have it to start with, and then you shouldn't be treated bcs people think the pills will make you kill people?

    People just cannot stand not being able to blame this on aspergers, so they tried to find a different way to blame it on the disability.



    And how on earth is aspergers living on the edge of sanity??!! That one makes me so mad I want to scream!
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    Absolutely its a valid point. And with the percentage of children (and adults) on these strong medications rising astronomically annually its another compelling reason that gun control is imperative.

    Thank you so much for pointing out another reason that there needs to be less access for people to these weapons of mass death and destruction.
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    I agree with Susan. I think articles like this stigmatize mental illness.

    I will agree, as I have said before, that there is obviously something else that is causing this. I know it is not guns alone and everyone else does too. I would venture to say the lack of affordable mental health care and mental health providers could be one. Medicating someone and not fully treating them is sadly a case for many many people.

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    And oh my dear sweet goodness. If you want to know what is scary in America folks, read the comment thread. Talk about crazy. They blame single parents, vaccinations, abortion, and beg for armed revolution from Obama. What the heck kind of sights are you reading, Gloria? That is, just, some eye opening stuff as to who is out there in our Nation, right there. Wow.
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    Problem is, this article doesn't address if its causation or correlation.

    People who are Mentally ill, are more likely to go on a shooting spree. People who are mentally ill are also more likely to be on a medication.

    Is it the medication that is causing the shooting spree? I think we need more research to be certain but its definitely worth the time and effort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smsturner View Post
    Hate this one. Perfect way to even throw more of a stigma at people with mental illness. It's bad enough to have it to start with, and then you shouldn't be treated bcs people think the pills will make you kill people?

    People just cannot stand not being able to blame this on aspergers, so they tried to find a different way to blame it on the disability.

    And how on earth is aspergers living on the edge of sanity??!! That one makes me so mad I want to scream!
    Who said anything about aspergers? You don't think it's a valid question to ask if he was on some kind of psychiatric medication?
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    I do think it has to do with the med's some people are on. Wait, before you assume anything! I also think that the majority of these mass killers and idiots that kill there children either aren't on the right med for them or they aren't being followed closely enough by the Dr/person who prescribed it. Just because one person can tolerate onemed doesn't mean it's the right med for someone else. There is no across the board with them. Plus, you have to seriously consider if the person was still actually taking the dose prescribed or trying to wean themselves (or just off it completely) because they "felt" better.

    If anything this just proves that we need to do more to get rid of the mental illness stigma and actually help people.

    My personal experience: I was dx'd as bi-polar as a child. I was never given med's till after Zachary was stillborn (i was 22 yrs old) and i was in a major depression and suicidal. I went through 3 or 4 different med's before they found one that worked in my system. Right now? I'm not taking it. I know that i should but, the first few wks of being back on it are hard physically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    And oh my dear sweet goodness. If you want to know what is scary in America folks, read the comment thread. Talk about crazy. They blame single parents, vaccinations, abortion, and beg for armed revolution from Obama. What the heck kind of sights are you reading, Gloria? That is, just, some eye opening stuff as to who is out there in our Nation, right there. Wow.
    Ha Ha I guess you must not read the comments on CNN.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    I will agree, as I have said before, that there is obviously something else that is causing this. I know it is not guns alone and everyone else does too. I would venture to say the lack of affordable mental health care and mental health providers could be one. Medicating someone and not fully treating them is sadly a case for many many people.
    Very true. Medication alone is not the total treatment for mentally ill people. Ideally, it's a combination of a counselor or therapist or other mental health person and medication. With insurance and health care here in this country, it can be hard to get the right care AND afford it. At least the medications on their own can cause some relief of these people's problems.

    AND totally true that being on the RIGHT meds is a huge piece (and why it's ideal to see a dr and/or counsellor while you take the meds). I was once put on a pill that made me absolutely insane. It works great for some, but not for all, and until mental health is a more exact science you can't know what's perfect for you without trial and error.

    Another thought is our government mental health care (in the state budget for those who qualify) is constantly being cut to shreds in the budgets these days. It is not nearly up to the standard we need.
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