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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphire Sunsets View Post
    I do think it has to do with the med's some people are on. Wait, before you assume anything! I also think that the majority of these mass killers and idiots that kill there children either aren't on the right med for them or they aren't being followed closely enough by the Dr/person who prescribed it. Just because one person can tolerate onemed doesn't mean it's the right med for someone else. There is no across the board with them. Plus, you have to seriously consider if the person was still actually taking the dose prescribed or trying to wean themselves (or just off it completely) because they "felt" better.

    If anything this just proves that we need to do more to get rid of the mental illness stigma and actually help people.
    ITA with this and I live it with my DH. We don't tell diabetics that they just need to straighten themselves up & get their pancreas back on track; why do we do it with mental illness? Diabetics would never ever think of going off their meds or playing around with their dosage on their own, but people with mental illness do it all the time; we need to stop making that feel like an acceptable thing to do & start making people with mental illness feel good about finding the right med & staying on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    ITA with this and I live it with my DH. We don't tell diabetics that they just need to straighten themselves up & get their pancreas back on track; why do we do it with mental illness? Diabetics would never ever think of going off their meds or playing around with their dosage on their own, but people with mental illness do it all the time; we need to stop making that feel like an acceptable thing to do & start making people with mental illness feel good about finding the right med & staying on it.
    from what i understand, this actually part of the disease. Diabetics would have a quick reminder they can't go off insulin. But with some mental illnesses,you start to think you are fine again. And maybe for a while you are.

    Also not everyone sees it in themselves. Like with vision, if i can't see the mountains in the distance, i assume that no one else can either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ethanwinfield View Post
    from what i understand, this actually part of the disease. Diabetics would have a quick reminder they can't go off insulin. But with some mental illnesses,you start to think you are fine again. And maybe for a while you are.

    Also not everyone sees it in themselves. Like with vision, if i can't see the mountains in the distance, i assume that no one else can either.
    I agree with this. I have a few relatives with schizophrenia. I remember when one went off her medicine. The medicine had unpleasant side effects (Constipation, weight gain). She hated how she looked and felt on the medicine so she would go off. Once off the medicine, she was not there enough to understand what she was doing. With severe mental illness, it is a very heartbreaking situation that does not have any easy answers. Having a mental illness does not mean that you are a terrible person that should be locked up just for being sick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ethanwinfield View Post
    from what i understand, this actually part of the disease. Diabetics would have a quick reminder they can't go off insulin. But with some mental illnesses,you start to think you are fine again. And maybe for a while you are.

    Also not everyone sees it in themselves. Like with vision, if i can't see the mountains in the distance, i assume that no one else can either.
    The "quick reminder" for not taking insulin can be coma & death. Diabetics are taught, from the moment they are diagnosed, that skipping a dose can be lethal. We don't teach mentally ill people about their medication in that same way, we don't tell them from their very first diagnosis, "You have a problem with the chemistry in your brain that is never going to fix itself, and you are going to be reliant on medication for the rest of your life." We currently present medication for the mentally ill as simply a suggestion, rather than as a requirement, for their lives to be better, something you do if you want it or can afford it. We need to change that thinking as a society. We need to treat mental illness with the same kind of importance that we treat diabetes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    The "quick reminder" for not taking insulin can be coma & death. Diabetics are taught, from the moment they are diagnosed, that skipping a dose can be lethal. We don't teach mentally ill people about their medication in that same way, we don't tell them from their very first diagnosis, "You have a problem with the chemistry in your brain that is never going to fix itself, and you are going to be reliant on medication for the rest of your life." We currently present medication for the mentally ill as simply a suggestion, rather than as a requirement, for their lives to be better, something you do if you want it or can afford it. We need to change that thinking as a society. We need to treat mental illness with the same kind of importance that we treat diabetes.
    Even with Diabetes no one forces you to take your medicine. My MIL is a diabetic. Yes you are counselled to take your medicine, but no one is going to arrest you or lock you up if you forget a dose or decide to stop taking it. Unless you take a mentally ill person to court to make them a ward of the State, you can not force a mentally ill person to take their medicine. My doctor has told me that it is imperative that I loose weight or within 10 years I will be diabetic, and I am on a diabetes medicine right now. I am doing my very best to loose weight and I believe my doctor, but there is nothing she can do to force me to listen to her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Even with Diabetes no one forces you to take your medicine. My MIL is a diabetic. Yes you are counselled to take your medicine, but no one is going to arrest you or lock you up if you forget a dose or decide to stop taking it. Unless you take a mentally ill person to court to make them a ward of the State, you can not force a mentally ill person to take their medicine. My doctor has told me that it is imperative that I loose weight or within 10 years I will be diabetic, and I am on a diabetes medicine right now. I am doing my very best to loose weight and I believe my doctor, but there is nothing she can do to force me to listen to her.
    You just made my point. You aren't even diabetic and yet your doctor is counseling you about what you can do, has you on medication to make your life better, and there is absolutely no stigma in your talking about it. My DH was diagnosed with a mental illness thirty years ago. No one in a white coat has ever EVER in his life told him that he NEEDS his medication to LIVE. Without it, he's merely existing, and he's not a fun person to be around. That's what I tell him, but he doesn't believe me, and it would make a world of difference if his doctors put it to him that way. He pulls the labels off his prescription bottles before recycling them because he doesn't want any of our neighbors to stumble on it and think of him differently. And he would kill me (figuratively speaking) if he knew I was talking about him. Why can't we discuss and treat mental illness in the same positive way that we discuss and treat other disorders? Side note: I hate the term "mental illness" because he's not sick. It's a disorder, an imbalance, not an illness.
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    I am sorry for what you and your family has gone through. Is there a better term that I could use?

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    Stacey, I dont believe that it is always as stigmitized as you are making it sound. I know a lot of people that have one disorder or another and only 1 is freaked out about people knowing about it.

    One of the big issues I see with this is that some people learn to function without meds. My BFFs husband is bi-polar and handles it very well through exercise and some different therapies, no meds. My friend has to monitor his sleep pretty religiously, but he handles it very well. He hates how he feels on meds, would rather die then take them. He is not a threat to anyone when off them, but if he is in a "up" swing he will take apart any computer thing he can get his hands on.

    I am not saying no meds is a good plan for all people, maybe not even for very many but we have to let adults make that choice for themselves as long as they are not hurting others. I read an article one time about how a large segment of the homeless population are well aware they function better on meds but are not willing to take them because of the way the meds make them feel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    The "quick reminder" for not taking insulin can be coma & death. Diabetics are taught, from the moment they are diagnosed, that skipping a dose can be lethal. We don't teach mentally ill people about their medication in that same way, we don't tell them from their very first diagnosis, "You have a problem with the chemistry in your brain that is never going to fix itself, and you are going to be reliant on medication for the rest of your life." We currently present medication for the mentally ill as simply a suggestion, rather than as a requirement, for their lives to be better, something you do if you want it or can afford it. We need to change that thinking as a society. We need to treat mental illness with the same kind of importance that we treat diabetes.
    Meds used to treat mental illnesses change the brain chemistry, no? Part of that life-long cycle is thinking you are okay again. In a way, it is similar to an alcoholic in recovey thinking they can have one drink. Also, because brain chemistry changes, some of the meds have serious cognitive side effects. Many people call Topamax "Dopamax" because it makes you dopey. Words are just gone and short-term memory can be effected. Insomnia, weight gain or loss, headaches, just to name a few. If my choice was to suffer from insomnia for the rest of my life or take ambien, I would choose insomnia.

    We as a society can treat mentall illness with the same seriousness we treat diabetes, but that doens't mean the patient will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    The "quick reminder" for not taking insulin can be coma & death. Diabetics are taught, from the moment they are diagnosed, that skipping a dose can be lethal. We don't teach mentally ill people about their medication in that same way, we don't tell them from their very first diagnosis, "You have a problem with the chemistry in your brain that is never going to fix itself, and you are going to be reliant on medication for the rest of your life." We currently present medication for the mentally ill as simply a suggestion, rather than as a requirement, for their lives to be better, something you do if you want it or can afford it. We need to change that thinking as a society. We need to treat mental illness with the same kind of importance that we treat diabetes.

    THIS! Exactly!

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