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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    We are talking about rifles only. Yes only 358 people were killed by rifles in 2010, which is the year the data is available, and that includes ALL rifles not just semi-autiomatic. That is the type of gun they are talking about banning, not handguns. 540 people were killed with clubs (like baseball bats) or hammers. 1704 people were killed by knives. So everyone else who used a rifle besides the rifles used to kill those 358 people used them for hunting or target practice or whatever other reason they wanted to use them for. You would have a better argument if they wanted to ban handguns, since those aren't normally used for hunting. But that isn't even what they try to ban. They try to ban rifles. Which makes no sense.
    I don't know who this you and they is that you speak of. I've made my stance on guns quite clear. I don't want to ban just rifles, I want it to go much further than that, I would love to see a ban on handguns other than a revolver which could shoot a robber 6 times, as stated I think that shooting that home invader 6 times would probably be plenty to kill them quite dead, and would stop these mass killings. And I don't want to ban baseball bats, or anti depressants, or blame everything under the sun but guns like you seem to want to. Don't make someone else's argument mine, please.
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    I'm sorry, what other use is there for guns but shooting stuff? Are people using them for paperweights or something?

    The fact that only 300 were used to kill people doesn't mean that they have another purpose, it means that the rest of them weren't used. Which makes it funnier that people feel like they need to cling to them. I coulnd't possibly part with this instrument of death which I do not use. Ya know what they say, if you haven't used it in a year, you should probably declutter....
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    But we aren't talking about all guns here. Alissa was saying that we should ban assault rifles. When those are the guns that are used the LEAST amount to kill people.
    You are comparing rifles....to ALLL blunt objects. You are not comparing rifles to hammers, or rifles to clubs. And you are ignoring the over 1000 per year on your chart in which the type of firearm is not specified.

    Use some logic to fill in the holes and I'm pretty sure you can NOT come up with a statement that says "Hammers, are deadlier than assault rifles" or "Clubs are deadlier than assault rifles"
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    [QUOTE=Alissa_Sal;9039575] Are people using them for paperweights or something? /QUOTE]

    I've heard the assault rifle with bayonet attachment can make a wonderful crutch if one breaks a hip. Just sayin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    I'm sorry, what other use is there for guns but shooting stuff? Are people using them for paperweights or something?

    The fact that only 300 were used to kill people doesn't mean that they have another purpose, it means that the rest of them weren't used. Which makes it funnier that people feel like they need to cling to them. I coulnd't possibly part with this instrument of death which I do not use. Ya know what they say, if you haven't used it in a year, you should probably declutter....
    It doesn't mean that at all. Why would someone spend that amount of money for something that just collects dust? In fact I would argue that rifles are used more than other types of guns.

    This is just your home state of CO
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    [QUOTE=Potter75;9039583]
    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    Are people using them for paperweights or something? /QUOTE]

    I've heard the assault rifle with bayonet attachment can make a wonderful crutch if one breaks a hip. Just sayin
    I hope you took it out from under your pillow and unloaded it first.

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    In my quick research, I found that there are many other mass or serial killings that involved unmedicated people who were retroactively diagnosed with mental illness.

    It doesn't sound like the medication is the problem per se. But let's say it is. Let's say it was medication that caused someone to go out and pull a Sandy Hook. We all know the side effects. Why should we allow them to have access to guns (or in the case of Andrea Yates, she NEVER should have been left alone with her kids and other people knew that)? Should we really stop prescribing medication to people who can't function otherwise? Using the diabetes analogy, that would be insane. If insulin-dependent people committed crimes at X times the national average, would we decide it's the insulin and ban the insulin?

    One thing I can't get past is that gun ownership is a right but access to health care is not. An un-diagnosed schizophrenic living on the street can buy a gun. But he can't go to a psychiatrist and get treated due to inability to pay. He can't go to the pharmacist because he can't afford the medication that could make him a productive member of society. But he can buy or steal a gun. And when he uses the gun to kill someone, then he can get all the services he needs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    It doesn't mean that at all. Why would someone spend that amount of money for something that just collects dust? In fact I would argue that rifles are used more than other types of guns.

    This is just your home state of CO

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    Gloria, I think that Alyssa and I are both responding to this statement of yours ~

    [QUOTE]There are millions of these guns that are out there that people are using for reasons other than killing people[/QUOTE]

    You seem to imply that these millions of guns are being employed for numerous industrious purposes, like, flossing and land hoeing or something, not just killing people and/or animals. I think that we are both asking you to name a few of these other reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClairesMommy View Post
    So what would you prefer, Gloria? Elimination of guns or elimination of anti-depressants? Wait, I already think I know the answer to that, except I think without anti-depressants and similar medications there'd be a whole lot more shootings, mass or otherwise.
    Wow you sure make a lot of assumptions about something that I haven't even expressed an opinion on yet.
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    [QUOTE=Potter75;9039598]Gloria, I think that Alyssa and I are both responding to this statement of yours ~

    There are millions of these guns that are out there that people are using for reasons other than killing people[/QUOTE]

    You seem to imply that these millions of guns are being employed for numerous industrious purposes, like, flossing and land hoeing or something, not just killing people and/or animals. I think that we are both asking you to name a few of these other reasons.
    Where exactly did anyone say anything about animals until you just did? Alissa said that the only reason for these guns are to kill PEOPLE.
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