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    Here`s one of those articles I read about gun ownership in the US. this wasn`t the exact one I read a while back, but has the same statistic about the per capital ownership.
    What makes America’s gun culture totally unique in the world, in four charts

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    Gloria, the problem with your statistic is that it doesn't account for multiple deaths in one gun-related incident. One person simply can not kill as many people at one time with any other weapon as they can with a gun.
    How does it not take that into account? Those statistics are the number of people killed, not the number of guns used to kill them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    I don't get that out of Lisa's posts at all. But I will say that when American's jump first to defend the right of Americans to kill Americans, or blame abortion (or vaccinations, or single mothers, etc) on why Americans should be able to kill Americans, or use Americans killing Americans to otherwise illogically use tragedy as their political stumping point....well, it certainly does not make us look lovely or loving (or especially intelligent) in international eyes. That part is hard to deny.
    I am saving my opinions on how the opinions about gun control relate to Abortion for the next Abortion debate as I realise it is an emotional topic on top of another emotional topic. I do not really want to debate in on a thread about a mass shooting because it is not about the shooting, but about gun control.

    ETA - We can have an abortion debate, but I would only want to do so if it was calm, kind, and no one was being told they were not very Christian every other post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClairesMommy View Post

    Bonita, I definitely don`t have the attitude that all Americans are terrible. Most definitely not. Do I hate how many guns there are? Yes. Do I hate how some Americans use them? Yes. There`s a problem. Don`t you think there`s a problem? If I have come across as anti-American, I apologize. That`s not how I feel.
    Thank you for the explanation

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClairesMommy View Post
    Here`s one of those articles I read about gun ownership in the US. this wasn`t the exact one I read a while back, but has the same statistic about the per capital ownership.
    What makes America’s gun culture totally unique in the world, in four charts

    That may be, I just knew it wasn't 9 out of 10.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    I said including, but not limited to an assault weapons ban. But yes, i want to include those 300 lives saved in my plan.

    And of the 300 that would have been killed by an assault weapon, i guarantee you they are facing better odds against a knife or a baseball bat, and that most who would have shot with an assault weapon would not have chosen an alternative weapon anyway.
    But it would cost billions to get rid of assault weapons alone, that doesn't address how much it would cost to get rid of more types of guns, that is if people would go for it, which will never happen. There are some semi-automatic handgun magazines that can hold 30 rounds or more, which would have been plenty to shoot the 26 people at Sandy Lake. It is a pure emotional response to think that spending billions on gun control would have an affect, or that banning these assault weapons would have a real effect on gun violence. Mass shootings are rare, these are not the type of guns that are used to kill people on a daily basis. It is not the responsible gun owners with a registered AR-15 that are killing people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I am saving my opinions on how the opinions about gun control relate to Abortion for the next Abortion debate as I realise it is an emotional topic on top of another emotional topic. I do not really want to debate in on a thread about a mass shooting because it is not about the shooting, but about gun control.

    ETA - We can have an abortion debate, but I would only want to do so if it was calm, kind, and no one was being told they were not very Christian every other post.
    Thanks Bonita, I'm just explaining how it looks when people do it. If you take that personally, thats on you. And thanks for setting rules on what we can debate in what threads, and how Kindov funny since you are the one who initially and illogically linked these two subjects in the first place.

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    I just read an article recently (I will try to find it) about someone who developed a door that was also a metal detector. I think that kind of technology will also help in preventing this kind of situation from happening in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    But it would cost billions to get rid of assault weapons alone, that doesn't address how much it would cost to get rid of more types of guns, that is if people would go for it, which will never happen. There are some semi-automatic handgun magazines that can hold 30 rounds or more, which would have been plenty to shoot the 26 people at Sandy Lake. It is a pure emotional response to think that spending billions on gun control would have an affect, or that banning these assault weapons would have a real effect on gun violence. Mass shootings are rare, these are not the type of guns that are used to kill people on a daily basis. It is not the responsible gun owners with a registered AR-15 that are killing people.
    Are you against fighting terrorists because it costs money? or drugs? Or speeding? Or international crime? Or other crime? Why just the cost of guns?

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    I see it like this - perhaps more people are killed by baseball bats than by assault rifles, but baseball bats have a legitimate other purpose (playing baseball) that I just can't find with assualt rifles. When you look at other guns, like baseball bats, they may be used as a deadly weapon, but they have a legitimate other purpose, like hunting. Which is why I don't think we should ban them.

    But assault rifles are like the Jagged Metal Crusty O of guns. So far as I can tell, they serve NO legitimate purpose other than to hurt people. If someone was selling boxes of Jagged Metal Crusty O's that had killed 300 people last year, they'd be pulled from shelves and banned. I doubt anyone would be sitting here like "It's my right as an American to own a box of Jagged Metal Crusty O's, dangit!"

    Obviously, banning assualt rifles and high capacity ammo can't be the sole provision of gun control, which is why Kim has said repeatedly that it would be INCLUDED in the over all Gun Control policies. But it's low hanging fruit. It's one step in a larger process of dealing with the problem.
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