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    Quote Originally Posted by wlillie View Post
    I'm not though. It's not the Federal Government's job to tell companies what and how to put information on their packages or how to run their businesses. We aren't socialists.
    And therein I think, to a great extent, explains the state of the US healthcare system. Maybe your federal government should make it there job. Our federal government doesn't tell the provinces how to run their healthcare and care plans, but they definitely take the initiative to mandate new federal regulations that are in the interest of all healthy Canadians. We aren't a socialist or communist country either, we just actually realize that the health of our citizens is something on which we all benefit - expecially as taxpayers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wlillie View Post
    I've been in a lot of grocery stores and most of them are meat vegetables and dairy around the perimeter. There is nothing healthy at a fast food place. Deciding whether it's healthier than another option is on you and if you think the Constitution allowed for the Federal government to make these kinds of decisions, then good for you. I disagree very very very strongly.
    This simply isn't true. There are healthy options at fast food places and with all of the information in front of you, it's easy to see that. I don't eat Subway that often, but I get a 6" turkey, no cheese, lettuce, tomato, pickles, olives, and mustard. It's under 300 calories and 4 g of fat. The only questionable thing would be the sodium - 790 mg.

    *If* you know what you are eating, you can make healthy/healthier selections. Knowing what I know about oatmeal, I would think I was selecting something low in calories. I would be wrong. There are almost twice as many as the oatmeal I make at home.



    Quote Originally Posted by wlillie View Post
    I'm not though. It's not the Federal Government's job to tell companies what and how to put information on their packages or how to run their businesses. We aren't socialists.
    You keep saying this. If it's not the federal government to regulate interstate and international businesses, whose job is it?

    What is socialist about informing consumers about the truth? They already have to be accurate with their information on weight, ingredients, etc. Why should companies have the right to mislead or refuse to give information about their product but consumers don't have a right to know? Labeling your product accurately = socialism?

    So what do you consider the Ford Pinto case or mandatory recalls of tainted meat?

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    I would like an explanation on the socialist angle as well. I can't grasp what you mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ethanwinfield View Post
    This simply isn't true. There are healthy options at fast food places and with all of the information in front of you, it's easy to see that. I don't eat Subway that often, but I get a 6" turkey, no cheese, lettuce, tomato, pickles, olives, and mustard. It's under 300 calories and 4 g of fat. The only questionable thing would be the sodium - 790 mg.

    *If* you know what you are eating, you can make healthy/healthier selections. Knowing what I know about oatmeal, I would think I was selecting something low in calories. I would be wrong. There are almost twice as many as the oatmeal I make at home.





    You keep saying this. If it's not the federal government to regulate interstate and international businesses, whose job is it?

    What is socialist about informing consumers about the truth? They already have to be accurate with their information on weight, ingredients, etc. Why should companies have the right to mislead or refuse to give information about their product but consumers don't have a right to know? Labeling your product accurately = socialism?

    So what do you consider the Ford Pinto case or mandatory recalls of tainted meat?
    Yes. The Canadian Food Inspection Agency just ordered the recall of e-coli infected meat from several XL Foods meat plants in Canada. People, mostly in Alberta are getting pretty sick. Your borders are slammed shut to our meat, and without a doubt I'm sure you are all happy about it. I would be. Without the federal agency overseeing how these private and public companies are run and the safety of their products....well, I don't really want to think about that.

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    About the "socialist" thing... I just want to throw out there that for a country that is so vehemently not socialist, America has a lot of socialist programs!

    Food stamps, WIC, free school lunches... You guys are all about the free food!

    (Did I hear during the debate that 46 million people are on food stamps?? Holy crap.)

    How is it that free health care is evil, but free food is ok?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kris_w View Post
    About the "socialist" thing... I just want to throw out there that for a country that is so vehemently not socialist, America has a lot of socialist programs!

    Food stamps, WIC, free school lunches... You guys are all about the free food!

    (Did I hear during the debate that 46 million people are on food stamps?? Holy crap.)

    How is it that free health care is evil, but free food is ok?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kris_w View Post
    About the "socialist" thing... I just want to throw out there that for a country that is so vehemently not socialist, America has a lot of socialist programs!

    Food stamps, WIC, free school lunches... You guys are all about the free food!

    (Did I hear during the debate that 46 million people are on food stamps?? Holy crap.)

    How is it that free health care is evil, but free food is ok?

    Slightly OT, but I find it hilarious. My aunt is one of those who is always railing about how free healthcare will be the end of us because we are not a socialist nation. She works for the police department, which, of course, is free to everyone and paid for by taxes. Cracks me right up.

    In fairness though, people who are against providing healthcare to everyone probably don't really want to feed everyone either. So it's consistant. Adequate medical care and food should be a priviledge for people who have money! *Stern look*
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    I can't speak for everyone, but I think it is more about not wanting to have to pay for able bodied healthy adults to get to sit around and do nothing because they don't want a job to have free food and healthcare.

    ETA - It is a little bit like this. DD1 is very good at cleaning her room. She goes fast and does a good job. DD2 does not like cleaning her room and takes forever. It would be like I told DD1 that as a reward of cleaning her room so nice and fast, she now needs to go clean DD2's room as well because DD2 didn't feel like cleaning her room when I told her too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    Slightly OT, but I find it hilarious. My aunt is one of those who is always railing about how free healthcare will be the end of us because we are not a socialist nation. She works for the police department, which, of course, is free to everyone and paid for by taxes. Cracks me right up.

    In fairness though, people who are against providing healthcare to everyone probably don't really want to feed everyone either. So it's consistant. Adequate medical care and food should be a priviledge for people who have money! *Stern look*
    Actually security is what Government IS for. Conservatives aren't against feeding people, they just thing it should be done privately instead of by the government. That is why conservatives tend to give to charity at a much higher rate than liberals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Actually security is what Government IS for. Conservatives aren't against feeding people, they just thing it should be done privately instead of by the government. That is why conservatives tend to give to charity at a much higher rate than liberals.
    Yeah, I don't really get why security is what the government is for, but not ensuring some minimum quality of life for the citizens. Kind of pointless to provide security to someone to keep their stuff safe on one hand if you're just going to let them starve to death on the other, wotwot? (Sorry, I'm in a weird mood)

    I don't have the strength to do the whole "do conservatives really help poor people more than liberals" debate again.
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