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    I probably feel differently about her appearance because I love the Oscars and consider it a prestigious event, a lot more so than some sports championship, for example. I know how ridiculous it is for rich successful glamorous people to stand up there giving each other awards, but I love every minute of it, no matter how silly.
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    I'm sorry, I'm still confused even after reading your article.

    That concern doesn't end with Hollywood … One in six of Obama's so-called bundlers – people who raise money in great stacks for the president's campaign – is gay, giving the issue great importance in his fiscal game.”
    I would say if this is true (which would be amazing: 1 in 6 is gay?!? I think it's about 3-4% of the American population is gay, but 1 of 6 people who donate a bunch of money is gay???) then that would possibly be pandering to the gay vote, but I still don't see how that automatically translates to pandering to the Hollywood vote. Are they trying to say that 1 in 6 people in Hollywood is gay?

    I would say again that the majority of Democrats support gay marriage. His Democratic supporters in Hollywood (like his Democratic supporters elsewhere) were likely to applaud him coming out in support of gay marriage, because that's something that is important to many of us (again, in Hollywood and elsewhere.) It was a politically savvy move for motivating his base for sure, but I still don't see how it was specifically pandering to Hollywood. Unless you're trying to say that most people in Hollywood are gay? I don't think that's true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    I would say if this is true (which would be amazing: 1 in 6 is gay?!? I think it's about 3-4% of the American population is gay, but 1 of 6 people who donate a bunch of money is gay???) then that would possibly be pandering to the gay vote, but I still don't see how that automatically translates to pandering to the Hollywood vote. Are they trying to say that 1 in 6 people in Hollywood is gay?
    I'm pretty sure it meant 1 in 6 of Obama's biggest fundraisers are gay. I didn't say that was the only reason, but I'm pretty sure money from Hollywood and other donors had a pretty big part in it.

    One in six Obama’s 2012 campaign bundlers are gay, according to research conducted by the Post’s Dan Eggen and T.W. Farnam. While the gay community has applauded the president on his efforts to do away with “Don’t Ask-Don’t Tell’’ they have made it clear that they are growing impatient with Obama’s repeated insistence that he is “evolving’’ on the question of same sex marriage. With the Obama campaign increasingly relying on donations from the gay community in its fundraising efforts, publicly declaring his support for gay marriage was a very strategic move.
    The Five Reasons Behind Obama's Statement On Gay Marriage - Forbes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    I would say again that the majority of Democrats support gay marriage. His Democratic supporters in Hollywood (like his Democratic supporters elsewhere) were likely to applaud him coming out in support of gay marriage, because that's something that is important to many of us (again, in Hollywood and elsewhere.) It was a politically savvy move for motivating his base for sure, but I still don't see how it was specifically pandering to Hollywood. Unless you're trying to say that most people in Hollywood are gay? I don't think that's true.
    I agree with Alissa in that the country is divided into areas that tend have like values. There are tons of excepts, but were I live has a high concentration of social conservatives. Hollywood has a higher concentration of people that are not social conservatives. It makes sense that Obama would concentrate his fund raising to areas where people support him and have deep pockets.

    I do not agree with Obama's platform, but I do not think it is a big deal for him to have fundraisers or for his wife to show up to the Oscars. I can not for the life of me remember his name, but Angelina Jolie's father (National Treasure) has had Republican fundraisers as well. It is just how things work.

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    I'm sorry, but Gloria, your article does not support your claim that he was "pandering" to Hollywood. At all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boilermaker View Post
    I'm sorry, but Gloria, your article does not support your claim that he was "pandering" to Hollywood. At all.
    So you are saying that he would have raised the same amount of money from his Hollywood fundraiser if he hadn't changed his stance on gay marriage a few days before?

    Whats strange is even gays recognize it as pandering. Not sure why you don't think it is.

    Interesting how today, both gay conservatives and leftists see through President Obama’s pander yesterday on gay marriage, coming as it did following a week when the Democrats was facing questions for his stand on gay marriage.
    http://www.gaypatriot.net/2012/05/10...m-politically/
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    I'm saying that if he was pandering to anyone with that move, it was gay supporters, but not specifically "Hollywood". I don't get the gay/Hollywood connection. That is where you are losing me. Sure, there are gay people in Hollywood, but there are gay people everywhere, and straight liberals who support gay marriage everywhere. So how is supporting gay marriage a move that specifically panders to Hollywood? That's the part I'm not understanding from anything you've posted. Again, many in Hollywood are liberal, so they would be excited by his coming out in support of gay marriage, but many of us that are not in Hollywood are also liberal and were also excited by it. What makes that a move specifically aimed at Hollywood?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    I'm saying that if he was pandering to anyone with that move, it was gay supporters, but not specifically "Hollywood". I don't get the gay/Hollywood connection. That is where you are losing me. Sure, there are gay people in Hollywood, but there are gay people everywhere, and straight liberals who support gay marriage everywhere. So how is supporting gay marriage a move that specifically panders to Hollywood? That's the part I'm not understanding from anything you've posted. Again, many in Hollywood are liberal, so they would be excited by his coming out in support of gay marriage, but many of us that are not in Hollywood are also liberal and were also excited by it. What makes that a move specifically aimed at Hollywood?
    There are MANY actors in Hollywood who have specifically spoken out in support of gay marriage including George Clooney and many of the people who Obama was asking for money.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/cele...bacon-gay-play
    Anne Hathaway, Jane Lynch urge Obama to support gay marriage - Celebrity Circuit - CBS News
    Celebrities Support Obama And Gay Rights | Bossip
    10 Celebrities Avoiding The Altar Until Same-Sex Marriage Is Legal / Queerty
    Pictures - Celebrities who support gay marriage - National LGBT Relationships | Examiner.com
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    Just because actors in Hollywood support gay marriage doesn't mean that gay marriage is a specifically Hollywood issue.

    Let me give you a different example. Let's assume that most CEOs are Conservatives. I don't know that for a fact, but let's assume. Now, let's assume that that a Republican politician came out in support of a popular sort of general conservative position, like re-instating Don't Ask Don't Tell, and this so moved some of these conservative CEOs that they donated money to that Republican. At that point, I wouldn't say that he was "pandering to CEOs" simply because they support the stance and donated money - the stance he is espousing is just a general conservative stance. In order to "pander to CEOs" I would expect the politician to do something that is specific to CEOs, like some position that stands to save or make corporations a lot of money. Simply espousing popular conservative views wouldn't be enough for me to single out "pandering to CEOs" no matter how much money they then donated to his cause.

    In the same way, I can't really see how espousing liberal views is considered "pandering to Hollywood" when those views have little to do with Hollywood. I think people just say that because it sounds worse somehow, like implying that Obama wants something really superficial like getting to hang out with movie stars or something. Again, if he's pandering to anyone in that case, I would say he is pandering to the gay vote, or I would even accept "pandering to the liberal base" (although, what does that phrase even mean when said about liberals or conservatives? We elect officials to represent our interests, so I would sure hope that they would try to represent those interests faithfully most of the time...) but I just don't see why he is specifically pandering to Hollywood anymore than he is pandering to me or any of the other zillions of liberals who support gay marriage, no matter what our profession.
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    Can you buy gay while shopping on Rodeo Drive? It's totes the latest fashion these days! So Hollywood!
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