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    Bonita, I think part of the problem in the other debate is that you kept that Only At Walmart site in your head and debated against THAT, which nobody else was discussing. We kept specifically talking about the type of people who go out of their way to draw attention to themselves (unlike the woman in the original post who was mistreated, we all felt), NOT people just trying to do their best. But you kept debating as if we were justifying mocking those people publicly.

    Anyway....I agree that Miley Cyrus, so far, is not a tragedy. Tacky, yes.

    And again, she was on the VMAs. A ton of people watched it. What she did was totally appropriate for that show, they have always embraced that type of show and that type of PR. It's what makes them popular. The ratings were huge this year.
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    I think that a big part of the reason why Miley has caused such a huge media buzz with her outfit and performance is that she's not the pre-teen/teen sweetheart daughter of a country music 'star' anymore. And now she's *gasp* a woman. Oh the horror and shock. Yeah, her outfit was s!utty and her 'dancing' too provocative, but we've seen this over and over - Britney Spears went from pig tails and school uniform to sticking her tongue in Madonna's mouth on live tv. Christina Aguilera - she went from Genie In a Bottle to Dirty - I'm sure you've all seen the video for Dirty. Like, I'm just not all agog about Miley and the MVAs. If she had real talent maybe she wouldn't feel she needed to subject herself to this kind of media/public scrutiny. Sex sells, let's remember.

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    If anything I'm surprised that as Mothers there isn't more empathy for this kid who grew up in the public eye with a bit of a mess of a family and pressures and public scrutiny that none of us can even imagine. I guess in a way I find it a lot uglier for grown women to be fine with comparing this kid who is could well be struggling with the challenges of having "it all" with variable influences in her life to a piece of raw meat. Heck, taking a photo of a grown adult parading her butt around and having an "Oh no she DIDN"T" with your girlfriends feels rather tame compared to that. I mean, to me anyway.
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    For me its not that it was sl utty, that was kind of expected. It is just that is was SO UGLY! Lada Gaga's outfit was much more skimpy but at least it looked good on her instead of like silly putty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    If anything I'm surprised that as Mothers there isn't more empathy for this kid who grew up in the public eye with a bit of a mess of a family and pressures and public scrutiny that none of us can even imagine. I guess in a way I find it a lot uglier for grown women to be fine with comparing this kid who is could well be struggling with the challenges of having "it all" with variable influences in her life to a piece of raw meat. Heck, taking a photo of a grown adult parading her butt around and having an "Oh no she DIDN"T" with your girlfriends feels rather tame compared to that. I mean, to me anyway.
    I didn't take it in that context of her being raw meat at all. I guess that why I think its funny and you don't. They are comparing her butt to a Chicken butt. Didn't you ever say that when you were a kid? What? Chicken butt!
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    I agree Melis. Look at all the young actors/singers who've grown up and had a period of total fame rebellion and made a mess of things - Justin Bieber, Britney, Lindsay Lohan, Amanda Bynes and on and on and on. It's almost expected, in a way, that the kid stars with eff things up for a period transitioning into adulthood, and then eventually manage to straighten up (with the exception of a few, of course).

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    I didn't think the outfit was that unflattering on her. I mean, it's not really my cup of tea, and it certainly wouldn't be appropriate in real life, but for a pop singer on a stage, I wasn't shocked or horrified by the outfit. I thought the #1 finger was a bizarre addition, and the dancing itself was pretty trashy for the most part, but not enough that I would call it "a tragedy" or think that it did some sort of irreparable damage to children. Then again, my kids don't watch the VMAs.

    I agree that comparing her body to a piece of meat is gross.

    I also agree that I think she is probably going through that transition phase in her life right now where she has always been the wholesome kid star and she doesn't quite know a great way to break away from that and be the adult Miley Cyrus. I think this was somewhat of a misstep, but I have a lot of sympathy for a kid who is trying to become a grown up and having to figure it out in the public eye. I did dumb stuff in my early twenties, but I had the fortune to not have a public stage to do it on. So sympathy to her there.

    Aside from "Does Miley's butt look like a chicken?" the other debate that I have read today about her performance was "Was her performance racist?"

    Miley Cyrus Brings Her Race Problem To The VMAs | Kia Makarechi

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    A friend of mine posted this yesterday:

    "I want to give Miley Cyrus a hug, hold her, and let her know that she is loved... just as she is."

    And it rang around in my head. I felt like it was an art director gone mad and she was a puppet. That grossed me out. But look at all of the buzz. I guess they did what they were trying to do. It seems pretty in line with MTV's overall message. Look at the show schedule:

    TV Schedule | Shows, Episodes, and Music Series On TV | MTV

    Frankly, I am more surprised that so many people watch the VMAs. I didn't and wouldn't have if I had cable. . . and I love music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    I didn't take it in that context of her being raw meat at all. I guess that why I think its funny and you don't. They are comparing her butt to a Chicken butt. Didn't you ever say that when you were a kid? What? Chicken butt!

    You don't think posting a photo directly comparing her butt to a photo of a dead plucked chicken is comparing her to a piece of meat? That is fascinating. Does anyone else think its funny? Alissa I don't know what I think about the racist stuff. I didn't watch the VMA's. Did all of the singers share the same back up dancers? I mean, its obvious that Miley is embracing the Ghetto thing these days, which is always culturally interesting. Remember when Gwen Stefanni used to walk around with a posse of Asian women? That was.......interesting as well. Oh, the music industry!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    You don't think posting a photo directly comparing her butt to a photo of a dead plucked chicken is comparing her to a piece of meat? That is fascinating.
    Actually no. The thought didn't even cross my mind until you mentioned it. I guess my mind just doesn't go there.
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