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Miley Cyrus VMAs

Ok so I don't pay that much attention to the VMA's, but this morning as I was driving to work they were saying something on the radio about Miley Cyrus's performance being very raunchy. So then I get to work and check my FB and see this...

It cracked me up, so then I have to go look up what her outfit looked like, and I have to say I thought it was REALLY ugly. Her performance WAS pretty trashy too, but that doesn't really surprise me.

Miley Cyrus VMA Performance Of 'We Can't Stop' Hits MTV; Network Censors 'Molly' Lyric (VIDEO)

So what do you think? Ugly or no worse than what anyone else has come up with considering Madonna and Lady Gaga have worn some pretty weird outfits too?

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My FB has been full of commits on this as well. I have never watched the VMA so I do not know if it is so beyond the typical or not. I do think it is very poor taste and not something I want my kids watching or supporting.

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You would think with all the designers and costume people and advisers she must have that SOMEONE would have spoken up and said that outfit isn't very flattering on her.

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That is disgusting. It looks like she is wearing Silly Putty.

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UGLY. She is such a pretty girl, and she looked horrible

But aside from that the way she was humping on Robin Thickes leg while he was singing was very degrading.

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I can't believe you guys who are so aghast at people cyber bullying (your definition, Lisa and Bonita and Gloria, not mine) would cyber bully Miley like this. Comparing her to a piece of meat? Calling her ugly? Hmmmm.

Since I have no problem commenting on absurd outfits, I, of course, find it heinous. I'd even take a photo of someone wearing something like that and send it to a few of my girlfriends who I know would appreciate the humor, for shiz! Smile

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"Potter75" wrote:

I can't believe you guys who are so aghast at people cyber bullying (your definition, Lisa and Bonita and Gloria, not mine) would cyber bully Miley like this. Comparing her to a piece of meat? Calling her ugly? Hmmmm.

Since I have no problem commenting on absurd outfits, I, of course, find it heinous. I'd even take a photo of someone wearing something like that and send it to a few of my girlfriends who I know would appreciate the humor, for shiz! Smile

You really think commenting on a performer that was on a national stage is comparable to taking a picture with your phone and sending it to your friends?

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"mom3girls" wrote:

You really think commenting on a performer that was on a national stage is comparable to taking a picture with your phone and sending it to your friends?

Isn't the intention exactly the same? To make fun of someone and how they look and the outfit they chose?

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"freddieflounder101" wrote:

Isn't the intention exactly the same? To make fun of someone and how they look and the outfit they chose?

My intention in this debate is not to make fun of Miley Cyrus. I feel very bad for her. I can agree that posting her picture along side of a chicken is not particularly kind.

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It's true Bonita you didn't make fun of her at all. (sorry!)

Anyway I don't expect anything less from her OR from the VMAs, that's what the whole thing is! So it's fine. Hideous, but fine.

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"mom3girls" wrote:

You really think commenting on a performer that was on a national stage is comparable to taking a picture with your phone and sending it to your friends?

Wait, so its only OKAY to compare a woman to a piece of meat (which personally I truly find objectionable and if I saw that anywhere near my newsfeed I would speak up ~thats inappropriate) when her stage is national vs. a gym floor? Ridiculous.

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"freddieflounder101" wrote:

Isn't the intention exactly the same? To make fun of someone and how they look and the outfit they chose?

I dont think the intention is the same, or at least on my part. I think when performers are on a national or world stage they accept to be critiqued. I think when someone is at a gym, or anywhere that they are just trying to live their life and someone takes pictures with the sole intention of making fun of them it crosses a line. Miley knew that her picture would be taken, others did not know that.

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"Potter75" wrote:

Wait, so its only OKAY to compare a woman to a piece of meat (which personally I truly find objectionable and if I saw that anywhere near my newsfeed I would speak up ~thats inappropriate) when her stage is national vs. a gym floor? Ridiculous.

I didnt compare her to a piece of meat did I? I agree that the meat thing is way inappropriate and really gross.

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Why is it okay to make fun of Miley and not the creepo singing the song who invited her to dance with him?

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"mom3girls" wrote:

I dont think the intention is the same, or at least on my part. I think when performers are on a national or world stage they accept to be critiqued. I think when someone is at a gym, or anywhere that they are just trying to live their life and someone takes pictures with the sole intention of making fun of them it crosses a line. Miley knew that her picture would be taken, others did not know that.

And I think that when someone is in a family gym running with their body wrapped in metallic glittery fabric in nothing but a sports bra and booty shorts, they are living in some world where they are like somebody on some stage, somewhere. I don't think that my body is limited to so many eye views/day. If I was wearing something totally outrageous, I know (because I know its human nature) that MORE people would look at me. Miley simply took advantage of this exact same human nature I'm talking about. And she is proving my point ~ her being an "entertainer" doesn't make this unique to her ~ humans look at and discuss the outliers. Its our nature. And you, yourself, are doing it, days after saying you would be "HORRIFIED" by it.

As to how you feel about her being compared to a slab of meat? You may find it objectionable, but thats a shame you didn't speak up about it when you were snarking on her and calling her ugly and horrible and degraded.

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Its a strange ethical code that will take two humans and say its okay to talk about one in a negative manner but not the other just because one is an entertainer and one is not.

They are both still human and the intent of the comments are still the same. Its pretty simple.

The fact that Miley Cyrus is an entertainer doesn't all of a sudden change the meaning of the words that come out of ones mouth

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When I was picturing the other debate, the mental image I had in my mind was the "Only at Walmart" photos. Those pictures are making fun of everyday people who just do not know how to dress well. People who are overweight. They are making fun of people who are just trying their best who do not happen to be in the popular crowd.

When I was thinking of this thread, I was thinking of Miley's performance. Was it appropriate, what did it do to the children that watched it, what a tragedy that a young woman's life has spun out of control, that the performance was tasteless, and many other similar things. It never once entered my mind that SHE was ugly. When I read the previous comment on this thread, I totally took it to mean what she DID was ugly, not that she personally was ugly.

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"mom3girls" wrote:

I dont think the intention is the same, or at least on my part. I think when performers are on a national or world stage they accept to be critiqued. I think when someone is at a gym, or anywhere that they are just trying to live their life and someone takes pictures with the sole intention of making fun of them it crosses a line. Miley knew that her picture would be taken, others did not know that.

You know what is interesting about your comment. Your first sentence talks about the intention not being the same, but the only differentiation you made was between the recipients....not the actual intent behind the comments.

I think we are trying to make it sound different here when really there isn't much of a difference.

It is people making negative comments about how someone acts or what they are wearing when they are in a setting where other people can see them.

I'm not so sure why it matters who you are talking negatively about...you are still choosing to criticize someone for their choices. The intent is most definitely the same.

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"AlyssaEimers" wrote:

When I was picturing the other debate, the mental image I had in my mind was the "Only at Walmart" photos. Those pictures are making fun of everyday people who just do not know how to dress well. People who are overweight. They are making fun of people who are just trying their best who do not happen to be in the popular crowd.

When I was thinking of this thread, I was thinking of Miley's performance. Was it appropriate, what did it do to the children that watched it, what a tragedy that a young woman's life has spun out of control, that the performance was tasteless, and many other similar things. It never once entered my mind that SHE was ugly. When I read the previous comment on this thread, I totally took it to mean what she DID was ugly, not that she personally was ugly.

Did anyone in the previous debate say that they agreed with uploading a photo to the internet at large (aka people of walmart?) again, as stated in the previous debate by a different poster, I believe you are debating a ghost.

What exactly do you think that Miley's performance did to children who watched it? I admit I didn't watch it and my children didn't watch it, but I'm super curious what you think that it "did to children"?

Also, do you know Miley Cyrus? What are you basing the idea that her life has "spun out of control"? That seems to be both judgmental and ......well, couldn't one call such accusations, you know, like ~ cyber bullying? I'm making a wild guess here that you don't know the girl or anyone who DOES know the girl? Who are you to make such judgments about her personal life?

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"Potter75" wrote:

I can't believe you guys who are so aghast at people cyber bullying (your definition, Lisa and Bonita and Gloria, not mine) would cyber bully Miley like this. Comparing her to a piece of meat? Calling her ugly? Hmmmm.

Putting words in my mouth again? Where did I say anything about cyber bullying or define it? I barely even posted in that debate.

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Bonita, I think part of the problem in the other debate is that you kept that Only At Walmart site in your head and debated against THAT, which nobody else was discussing. We kept specifically talking about the type of people who go out of their way to draw attention to themselves (unlike the woman in the original post who was mistreated, we all felt), NOT people just trying to do their best. But you kept debating as if we were justifying mocking those people publicly.

Anyway....I agree that Miley Cyrus, so far, is not a tragedy. Tacky, yes.

And again, she was on the VMAs. A ton of people watched it. What she did was totally appropriate for that show, they have always embraced that type of show and that type of PR. It's what makes them popular. The ratings were huge this year.

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I think that a big part of the reason why Miley has caused such a huge media buzz with her outfit and performance is that she's not the pre-teen/teen sweetheart daughter of a country music 'star' anymore. And now she's *gasp* a woman. Oh the horror and shock. Yeah, her outfit was s!utty and her 'dancing' too provocative, but we've seen this over and over - Britney Spears went from pig tails and school uniform to sticking her tongue in Madonna's mouth on live tv. Christina Aguilera - she went from Genie In a Bottle to Dirty - I'm sure you've all seen the video for Dirty. Like, I'm just not all agog about Miley and the MVAs. If she had real talent maybe she wouldn't feel she needed to subject herself to this kind of media/public scrutiny. Sex sells, let's remember.

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If anything I'm surprised that as Mothers there isn't more empathy for this kid who grew up in the public eye with a bit of a mess of a family and pressures and public scrutiny that none of us can even imagine. I guess in a way I find it a lot uglier for grown women to be fine with comparing this kid who is could well be struggling with the challenges of having "it all" with variable influences in her life to a piece of raw meat. Heck, taking a photo of a grown adult parading her butt around and having an "Oh no she DIDN"T" with your girlfriends feels rather tame compared to that. I mean, to me anyway.

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For me its not that it was sl utty, that was kind of expected. It is just that is was SO UGLY! Lada Gaga's outfit was much more skimpy but at least it looked good on her instead of like silly putty.

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"Potter75" wrote:

If anything I'm surprised that as Mothers there isn't more empathy for this kid who grew up in the public eye with a bit of a mess of a family and pressures and public scrutiny that none of us can even imagine. I guess in a way I find it a lot uglier for grown women to be fine with comparing this kid who is could well be struggling with the challenges of having "it all" with variable influences in her life to a piece of raw meat. Heck, taking a photo of a grown adult parading her butt around and having an "Oh no she DIDN"T" with your girlfriends feels rather tame compared to that. I mean, to me anyway.

I didn't take it in that context of her being raw meat at all. I guess that why I think its funny and you don't. They are comparing her butt to a Chicken butt. Didn't you ever say that when you were a kid? What? Chicken butt!

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I agree Melis. Look at all the young actors/singers who've grown up and had a period of total fame rebellion and made a mess of things - Justin Bieber, Britney, Lindsay Lohan, Amanda Bynes and on and on and on. It's almost expected, in a way, that the kid stars with eff things up for a period transitioning into adulthood, and then eventually manage to straighten up (with the exception of a few, of course).

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I didn't think the outfit was that unflattering on her. I mean, it's not really my cup of tea, and it certainly wouldn't be appropriate in real life, but for a pop singer on a stage, I wasn't shocked or horrified by the outfit. I thought the #1 finger was a bizarre addition, and the dancing itself was pretty trashy for the most part, but not enough that I would call it "a tragedy" or think that it did some sort of irreparable damage to children. Then again, my kids don't watch the VMAs.

I agree that comparing her body to a piece of meat is gross.

I also agree that I think she is probably going through that transition phase in her life right now where she has always been the wholesome kid star and she doesn't quite know a great way to break away from that and be the adult Miley Cyrus. I think this was somewhat of a misstep, but I have a lot of sympathy for a kid who is trying to become a grown up and having to figure it out in the public eye. I did dumb stuff in my early twenties, but I had the fortune to not have a public stage to do it on. So sympathy to her there.

Aside from "Does Miley's butt look like a chicken?" the other debate that I have read today about her performance was "Was her performance racist?"

Miley Cyrus Brings Her Race Problem To The VMAs | Kia Makarechi

Any thoughts on that?

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A friend of mine posted this yesterday:

"I want to give Miley Cyrus a hug, hold her, and let her know that she is loved... just as she is."

And it rang around in my head. I felt like it was an art director gone mad and she was a puppet. That grossed me out. But look at all of the buzz. I guess they did what they were trying to do. It seems pretty in line with MTV's overall message. Look at the show schedule:

TV Schedule | Shows, Episodes, and Music Series On TV | MTV

Frankly, I am more surprised that so many people watch the VMAs. I didn't and wouldn't have if I had cable. . . and I love music.

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"GloriaInTX" wrote:

I didn't take it in that context of her being raw meat at all. I guess that why I think its funny and you don't. They are comparing her butt to a Chicken butt. Didn't you ever say that when you were a kid? What? Chicken butt!

You don't think posting a photo directly comparing her butt to a photo of a dead plucked chicken is comparing her to a piece of meat? That is fascinating. Does anyone else think its funny? Alissa I don't know what I think about the racist stuff. I didn't watch the VMA's. Did all of the singers share the same back up dancers? I mean, its obvious that Miley is embracing the Ghetto thing these days, which is always culturally interesting. Remember when Gwen Stefanni used to walk around with a posse of Asian women? That was.......interesting as well. Oh, the music industry!

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"Potter75" wrote:

You don't think posting a photo directly comparing her butt to a photo of a dead plucked chicken is comparing her to a piece of meat? That is fascinating.

Actually no. The thought didn't even cross my mind until you mentioned it. I guess my mind just doesn't go there.

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That says a lot about how desensitized you must be about how women are objectified. Hopefully this can open your eyes to it, especially as you probably care about such things as you have granddaughters coming up in this world. Comparing a woman to a piece of meat is not okay.

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We got the VMAs the day after the US, so after hearing about the performance I had to watch it. I've got to say, I expected worse! Apart from bending over and shaking her butt, I didn't mind it. She's always said she's from the South where it's warm and 'normal' to wear daisy dukes and cropped tops.

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Granted I don't watch the VMAs but I don't think this was anything too out there with past performances or videos that MTV plays.
A few random thoughts about this

1. I did see part of the performance and I must be old because I don't understand the whole teddy bear thing.

2. Both outfits weren't good choices. Normal people I expect to make bad fashion choice but I know a lot of thought went into what she wore.

3. Not sure about the racism thing. Would it have been ok if the dancer involved was white? Would she be in trouble for having only white dancers? Without knowing more, I'd have to say no to the racism.

4. Why are they only calling her out? There was a guy onstage who was 10 years older and presumably wiser. There are rehearsals for this kind of thing and I don't think it was a shock to involved.

5. She got publicity for being shocking, not for a DUI or lighting her dog on fire. The only way this publicity would hurt her is if she was 16 still under a Disney contract. She is 20 and struggling to make herself different from Hannah Montana. I just hope she becomes who she wants.

6. Madonna courted controversy and owned and manipulated it to suit her purpose. It can be done successfully in entertainment.

7. It makes me sad music seems to be all about the spectacle and not about the music.

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"Potter75" wrote:

That says a lot about how desensitized you must be about how women are objectified. Hopefully this can open your eyes to it, especially as you probably care about such things as you have granddaughters coming up in this world. Comparing a woman to a piece of meat is not okay.

Or maybe I just took it as the joke it was intended. Comparing her butt to a Chicken butt without putting a bunch of politically correct tags on it. Doesn't open my eyes to anything because I don't think that was the point of the joke.

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I didn't really get the chicken butt thing either way, to be honest.

Anyway I thought you guys would like this, if you're fans of Breaking Bad.

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"GloriaInTX" wrote:

Or maybe I just took it as the joke it was intended. Comparing her butt to a Chicken butt without putting a bunch of politically correct tags on it. Doesn't open my eyes to anything because I don't think that was the point of the joke.

You really think that I only believe that women shouldn't be compared to raw meat because its politically correct, not just because its degrading? Thats interesting.

Laurie I had never heard of breaking bad and my husband just downloaded the first season, we watched it this past week ~ totally hooked! Can't wait to download the rest of the seasons and watch them.

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My husband loves Breaking Bad, I have only seen it peripherally while he's watching. But I know a ton of people who watch it.

In terms of Miley, I bet MTV is thrilled with her. This is the kind of PR they love. And they haven't been about music for years, their logo is still MTV but they took out the MUSIC TELEVISION at the bottom a few years back, acknowledging the direction they've been going in.

It's funny, I'm in a Facebook group of people who worked there in the 80s and 90s. (I was there for most of the 90s.) The people from the 80s have the most fantastic stories of encounters with musicians and other adventures, it's incredible. Now it's just a different place....it's all reality stars and whatnot. I was watching the show Awkward for a bit but it lost its charm.

But this kind of publicity is why they do the VMAs!!! It's not even about who wins....they barely even talk about that. It's all about the show.

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"freddieflounder101" wrote:

I didn't really get the chicken butt thing either way, to be honest.

Anyway I thought you guys would like this, if you're fans of Breaking Bad.

OMG! That is so funny! I LOVE Breaking Bad!