Military Aid to Egypt?

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Military Aid to Egypt?

Should we be sending $213 million dollars worth of taxpayer funded fighter jets and tanks to Egypt, who we don't even consider an ally?

Later this month, the new government in Egypt is scheduled to begin taking delivery of 10 F-16 fighter jets and 200 Abrams tanks ? courtesy of U.S. taxpayers.

The $213 million deal is part of a foreign aid package signed when American ally Hosni Mubarak was president, but a growing chorus of critics say the Obama administration should pull the plug. They cite Egypt?s new Muslim Brotherhood government?s mixed signals to the U.S. and Israel, as well as America?s fiscal problems, as reasons for rescinding the deal.

?A Shariah dictatorship on Israel?s border ? armed with American weapons ? is a deadly threat to Israel and America,? reads a petition being circulated by The American Center for Law and Justice. ?All U.S. funding to Egypt must be cut off until we can certify that aid to Egypt will help the national security interests of the United States and Israel.?

The petition has garnered more than 150,000 signatures, and ACLJ Executive Director Jordan Sekulow believes it could bolster mounting opposition in Washington. Although the deal has already been approved by Congress and could only be rescinded by President Obama, Sekulow said lawmakers have leverage because Obama needs their backing for some $1.5 billion in aid earmarked for Egypt later this year.

?It?s all up to the president,? Sekulow said. ?It will take people speaking out, and we have a limited time to act.?

Egypt would add the state-of-the-art F-16s, built by Lockheed-Martin, to its fleet of 200 fighter jets. The M1A1 Abrams battle tanks would allow Egypt to increase its number of tanks by 20 percent. The first delivery is to take place Jan. 22. Critics say the arms could end up being used against neighboring Israel or even against the Egyptian people, should Morsi ever face a Syria-style revolt.

Reneging on the deal would be justified, say critics, because new Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi?s Muslim Brotherhood has long supported terrorist groups in the Middle East. Since being elected, Morsi has declared himself above the law and rammed through a constitution based on Sharia law. Human rights advocates say the regime?s treatment of women and non-Muslims is cause for concern.

President Obama has even said that Egypt?s alliance with the U.S., which was solid during Mubarak?s 30-year reign, may be in a state of transition.

"I don't think that we would consider them an ally, but we don't consider them an enemy," the president told Telemundo in September.

Read more: Pressure builds to nix gift of tanks, F-16s to Egypt | Fox News

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Its really, really hard for me to fathom.

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Maybe we should give these to Canada instead. They need some at at least they are our allies. I would rather they have them Egypt thats for sure.

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"GloriaInTX" wrote:

Maybe we should give these to Canada instead. They need some at at least they are our allies. I would rather they have them Egypt thats for sure.

Our govt just spent $35 billion on new fighter jets. watch out America, we#re packin heat now. Now, where#d those dang SCUD missles go?. Oh, we forgot....we actually have to buy those. Just like batteries for xmas presents. They don#t come with. Bwah ha ha!

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This seems like a bad idea. At the very least we should re-consider the date of our "gift" and make certain the intentions and leadership of Egypt is solid before arming them with this stuff.

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We are seriously going to GIVE this man tanks and planes?

As Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi claims he will uphold a peace treaty with Israel, a video has emerged of 2010 speech in which he lashes out at Jews and Zionists.

According to The New York Times, Morsi, a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, spoke at a rally against the Israeli blockade of Gaza, telling Egyptians to “never forget, brothers, to nurse our children and our grandchildren on hatred for them: for Zionists, for Jews.”

Morsi went on to say Palestine would be freed through resistance, and called President Obama a liar.

The speech was first shown Friday on Egyptian satirist Bassem Youssef’s television show, according to the paper, and was made after a flareup in 2010 between Israel and Gaza.

A 2010 Morsi television interview also was unearthed last week by the Middle East Media Research Institute, the Times reports.

In it, Morsi called Zionists “bloodsuckers who attack the Palestinians,” and “descendants of apes and pigs.”

Morsi has been regarded as a key figure behind a truce that was forged between Israel and Palestinian militants after both sides exchanged airstrikes for a week in 2012.

The video emerges just days after Morsi expanded the number of Muslim Brotherhood ministers in his Cabinet, VOA News reported. Three of the 10 Egyptian ministers sworn in are members of the Brotherhood movement, increasing the number of Brotherhood Cabinet ministers from five to eight.

Read more: Video emerges of Egyptian leader Morsi blasting Jews, Zionists in 2010 | Fox News

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I guess the warning signs continue to be ignored.

January 22- Four F-16 fighter jets left the U.S. this morning, bound for Egypt as part of a foreign aid package critics say should have been scrapped when the nation elected a president who has called President Obama a liar and urged that hatred of Jews be instilled in children.

A source who works on the naval air base in Fort Worth, Texas, confirmed the departure of the state-of-the-art fighter planes to FoxNews.com. Sixteen F-16s and 200 Abrams tanks are to be given to the Egyptian government before the end of the year under a foreign aid deal signed in 2010 with then-Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, a longtime U.S. ally.

Read more: U.S. gift of F-16 fighters headed to Egypt, despite Morsi's harsh rhetoric | Fox News

A key figure in Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi's government called the Holocaust a hoax cooked up by U.S. intelligence operatives and claimed the 6 million Jews who were killed by ****s simply moved to the U.S.

The outrageous claims, by Fathi Shihab-Eddim, a senior figure close to President Morsi who is now responsible for appointing the editors of all state-run Egyptian newspapers, came as the world marked Holocaust Remembrance Day on Jan. 27, and also as the U.S. continues to assess its relationship with the increasingly radical Arab state.

“The myth of the Holocaust is an industry that America invented,” Shihab-Eddim said, leaving no room for doubt that the Egyptian government -- like Iran's -- has at the very least significant elements that deny humanity’s greatest crime of all.

“U.S. intelligence agencies in cooperation with their counterparts in allied nations during World War II created it [the Holocaust] to destroy the image of their opponents in Germany, and to justify war and massive destruction against military and civilian facilities of the Axis powers, and especially to hit Hiroshima and Nagasaki with the atomic bomb,” Shihab-Eddim said.

The ludicrous claims were especially worrisome to Israeli experts who have been watching since the Muslim Brotherhood Morsi administration took over the Egyptian government in elections last summer, following the ouster of Hosni Mubarak, who maintained good relations with Israel. Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center in New York, said Shihab-Eddin's comments were as troubling as they were ridiculous.

“Fathi goes on to claim that the 6 million Jews all really moved to the United States during the war (and oddly no one noticed) and that the number of Jews killed in the war was about the number who died in traffic accidents,” Greenfield wrote in Frontpagemag.com.

Read more: Aide to Egyptian President Morsi claims Holocaust a US hoax | Fox News

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Egypt is in the midst of major civil unrest. The US needs to re-examine its foreign policy and, pardon my French, get the "/$% out of Egypt and stop sending aid. There is nothing to be gained.

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I wonder if he will use his brand new U.S. issued planes to bomb the protesters.

Egyptians Defy Curfew as Army Warns of

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I sure am glad that we sent them these tanks and planes to kill each other with.

Top Egyptian military commander says Morsi ousted as president | Fox News

(That was sarcasm just in case you couldn't tell)

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Are they killing each other with tanks and planes provided by the US? I didn't read that anywhere in the article you cited.

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"ClairesMommy" wrote:

Are they killing each other with tanks and planes provided by the US? I didn't read that anywhere in the article you cited.

Who knows who even has the equipment now and what it will be used for? I would assume the military that just took over. Just seems really stupid to send tanks and planes into a country that is clearly unstable.

On Tuesday, clashes in Cairo and elsewhere in the country that left at least 23 people dead, most in a single incident near the main Cairo University campus. The latest deaths take to 39 the number of people killed since Sunday in violence between opponents and supporters of Morsi, who took office in June last year as Egypt's first freely elected leader.

The bloodshed, coupled with Morsi's defiant speeches, contributed the sense that both sides were ready to fight to the end. The president's supporters also moved out in increased marches in Cairo Tuesday and other cities, and stepped up warnings that it will take bloodshed to dislodge him.

On Monday, the military gave Morsi the ultimatum to meet the protesters' demands within 48 hours. If not, the generals' plan would suspend the Islamist-backed constitution, dissolve the Islamist-dominated legislature and set up an interim administration headed by the country's chief justice, the state news agency reported.

The leaking of the military's so-called political "road map" appeared aimed at adding pressure on Morsi by showing the public and the international community that the military has a plan that does not involve a coup.

Fearing that Washington's most important Arab ally would descend into chaos, U.S. officials said they are urging Morsi to take immediate steps to address opposition grievances, telling the protesters to remain peaceful and reminding the army that a coup could have consequences for the massive American military aid package it receives. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.

Read more: Egyptian military ousts Morsi, suspends constitution | Fox News

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Neither the Egyptian govt nor its military have been known for their honesty and fair dealings. If I was the head of the military of a powerful country (i.e. the US) the last country I would be providing military aid to, behind Iraq and a couple others, would be Egypt.

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