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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    Actually as voters that is exactly our "right".. "room" whatever.
    WTF are you talking about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mommytoMR.FACE View Post
    WTF are you talking about?
    What do you mean WTF.. it is obvious. We as voters do have the right to determine what someone should be able to live on or not. That is the whole point of our type of government.. We the people decide what type of lifestyle we 'deserve' want etc. We determine at what point and how much the government should step in and help or not help and to what degree. We vote in people based on just this.. amongst other things, but Social fiscal issues are a big one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mommytoMR.FACE View Post
    WTF are you talking about?
    No need to be rude or curse if you're looking for clarification. That was really rude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    What is a "living wage"? I assume it varies by location as cost of living does.. but can you give an example? I do think in America we feel entitled to lots of THINGS and stuff, and most of us, even the most frugal minded could do fine with less.
    Yes, it does vary by location. Here is a calculator that helps define it by location. Looking at my location (because that's what I'm familiar with) I can say that for my location, the amounts budgeted are very frugal indeed.

    http://livingwage.mit.edu/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    Yes, it does vary by location. Here is a calculator that helps define it by location. Looking at my location (because that's what I'm familiar with) I can say that for my location, the amounts budgeted are very frugal indeed.

    Living Wage Calculator - Introduction to the Living Wage Calculator
    I understand what you are saying, but a minimum wage can not vary from place to place (if you want the living wage to become the minimum wage). Businesses would all move to the places where the living wage was the lowest, drawing cost up even further in other places.

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    My area its 65k w three kids. Do you think an unskilled worker should make 65k/ year?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    No need to be rude or curse if you're looking for clarification. That was really rude.
    Ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    My area its 65k w three kids. Do you think an unskilled worker should make 65k/ year?
    Well, I think it's more a question of where the money is going to come from, because it's going to come from somewhere. Unskilled workers still need to eat, have a roof over their heads, et cetera. Unless you're advocating just letting working families starve, of course. So if they still need that money to eat, to have a roof over their heads, et cetera, I guess the question is how much of that should come from the businesses that pay their salaries, and how much should be subsidized by tax payers through government assistance.

    Bonita - that's a good point for companies that *can* move, but for a lot of the types of companies that we're talking about, that may not make sense. I mean, how many Wal-Marts and McDonalds can they actually pack into the lower wage areas until they've reached maximum saturation and really have to reach out to wider markets in order to continue/maximize growth? It's not like a manufacturing job where you can move the factory to a lower income area and then ship the products elsewhere to the country, or a call center where the person answering the phone could be anywhere in the world. Jobs in the service industry have to exist where the customers are.
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    Interesting calculator, but the figures are not accurate.. does anyone else notice the housing price doesn't seem to include things like heat, electricity, water and garbage.. Not sure where these people are renting or paying mortgage but the price here was about 700 a month, for a family of 4. We pay that in JUST mortgage, not insurance, or heat electricity water garbage.. and of course we totally leave out internet/phone etc.
    Maybe that comes into other, but not when electric bills typically are $100 regardless of usage.

    This is for the LIVING wage, not Minimum wage.
    We are $1,200 above so called living wage here, no wonder we are tight all the time. We accept all handmedown clothes, go to thrift stores, garagesales and goodwill first for clothes we need, then to clearance racks. Not sure I have bought a full price piece of clothing in 15 years of marriage... even a dress I bought for special occasions was at a discout outlet mall and on sale.

    We have a small garden and I can or freeze any free food we can get, neighbors have blueberries, kids pick blackberries all summer, friends have apple trees and I make sauce, butter, jelly etc.

    The food seems about right at 700 and I spend less than that, I shop sales only again. If the price isn't low enough I don't buy the item, and those on sale I stock up on.

    But even in what I consider frugal I could cut back. We could turn off internet and netflix. We would have to keep basic phone for my husband's work, but we could take off long distance and get a calling card when he had to call the head office. We could use less electricity, but we already combine baths, take quick showers etc. I do hang dry clothes in the summer but could do it in the winter, though it would take longer to dry them as it is very damp here. We could do less or without at birthday and Christmas, even though we are super frugal there too. We could NOT buy sweets..

    My point is that regardless how frugal you are you could spend less. Because I could.

    I don't think that min wage should be increased to living wage, I think people should strive to attain higher paying jobs from the beginning. And parents should encourage them to get the education they need to thrive in their chosen carrer. Granted often this does not happen, but it is a deeper societal issue IMO, than simply raising the lowest wage can fix.
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    The thing I found most interesting for a living wage here was that for a 2 adult 2 kid family they assume no childcare expenses.... I had been wondering how people who make less than me did it here because the $2500+/month I pay is double the minimum wage here.
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