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    9.00/hr works out to be what...17-18000 a year give or take (not pulling the calculator out right now and my math is bad). That's nothing. 2 people making that are still eligible for assistance when they have a family. I find that sick. I call b.s. on companies not being able to afford it. Either you have a decent company that can afford to pay its employees or you don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    Either you have a decent company that can afford to pay its employees or you don't.
    And what if you don't? Just go out of business and don't hire anyone? That will help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Sorry you don't like the real world. That is just the way it is. If you raise the minimum wage there will just be more people without a job on assistance. And more jobs in China.
    There's no need for the attitude. I'm quite sure she's living in the real world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    And what if you don't? Just go out of business and don't hire anyone? That will help.
    You either have to produce so much in your business that you need to hire people or you aren't producing enough to hire. Say I started a business tomorrow. It would probably be just me and maybe someone else as a partner. If we do enough work or produce enough goods for me to need help...then I'm making enough money to support myself and an employee and this goes on and on, more products, more money, more need to hire people.

    I don't understand how owners of companies can hire full time workers and not pay them a living wage and still sleep at night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Sorry you don't like the real world. That is just the way it is. If you raise the minimum wage there will just be more people without a job on assistance. And more jobs in China.
    That is not the reason why jobs went to China. The "real world" reason was the owners of businesses wanted to scarf up profits and make OBSCENE amounts of money while their employees either got paid crap or got laid off. Ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    So again I ask, you two think it is appropriate that full time working people have to be on government assistance because they cannot afford to live? Does that make sense?
    Minimum wage jobs are not the jobs that should be supporting families. Minimum wage jobs have their place. Teenagers, people who are retired, people want to pick up some extra, people wanting to get job experience, people between better paying jobs. The answer to poverty is not to raise up minimum wage jobs, but to create more better paying jobs. If someone drops out of high school as soon as they can, and works at McDonald for their whole life, do you really think that they should make the same amount of money as some one who work their tail off. Graduated top of their class, went to college and became an engineer? There will be low paying jobs and high paying jobs. Making minimum wage jobs pay more, raises inflation and brings down the pay of others that have worked hard to get where they are. It is no different that a restaurant making a waitress share her tips with the waitresses that give poor service.
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    Of course there is high paying jobs and lower paying jobs. My friend is a pedi. endocrinologist. I work for a health insurer. She makes a heck of a lot more money than I do but she has the education to reflect it. I have a bachelor's degree and she went to medical school.

    There are so MANY full time positions that are paying minimum wage because the employer CAN get away with it. People still need to live and it shouldn't be a requirement to have advanced degrees to be able to feed your family!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    Of course there is high paying jobs and lower paying jobs. My friend is a pedi. endocrinologist. I work for a health insurer. She makes a heck of a lot more money than I do but she has the education to reflect it. I have a bachelor's degree and she went to medical school.

    There are so MANY full time positions that are paying minimum wage because the employer CAN get away with it. People still need to live and it shouldn't be a requirement to have advanced degrees to be able to feed your family!
    Agreed. I don't have a problem with the fact that some jobs pay more than others - of course they should. But on the other hand, I do think that anyone who works a full time job should be able to reasonably support themselves and their families, especially when we see the same companies who pay minimum wage paying their CEOs mega millions and pulling down literally billions in net revenue. I don't agree that these companies simply can't afford to pay more, I just think they can currently get away with paying less, and so they do. Easy peasy.

    I've said this in another debate, but I'll say it again. If my business model was that, in order for me to maximize profits and keep prices low, I would simply not pay my workers at all and the government could provide for ALL of their living expenses, you guys would probably think I had a pretty dumb, unworkable business model. I bet you'd think "They're YOUR employees, why should MY tax dollars go to pay YOUR employees so you can make billions?" Right? Yeah. We're already like halfway there when minimum wage employees make about half (or less!) the living wage in their area. Basically those company's business plans are "In order to maximize profits and keep prices low, we will pay our employees half of their living expenses, and the government can pay for the rest." And I'm still thinking "They're YOUR employees, why should MY tax dollars go to pay YOUR employees so that you can make billions?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    I do think that anyone who works a full time job should be able to reasonably support themselves and their families
    So you think someone working full time should make more per hour then someone working part time, or that all jobs should pay a living wage? I have learned from experience that the more requirements put on full time employees, the less full time employees a company will have. DH works full time in a school and part time for another company. This company has stopped having full time employees outside of management. They have a center in just about every major city in the US, so they hire a lot of people. In the center here they have roughly 50 employees. Almost all of them are part time. Working just under the number of hours that they would need to be full time. Now this is still a great company and you can make a living wage with part time hours as long as you have a spouse that can provide your insurance, but I can see more companies doing this to get out of all of the extra requirements put on having full time employees.

    What I am doing a bad job of saying, is that you can't have the minimum wage for part time employees be $7/hour and the minimum wage be for full time employees be $25/hour. No one would hire full time employees.
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    Raising the minimum wage will get some people off of assistance (yay) but they will still be struggling. Prices will be driven up, effecting all of us.

    I do not see this as a solution to a problem.
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